Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[Whisky]

It sounds like the bonus annual max was moved to 35K in the final bill passed? 

It's down in section 616 of the text

https://www.billtrack50.com/BillDetail/743465

 

[Guest]

It sounds like the bonus annual max was moved to 35K in the final bill passed? 
It's down in section 616 of the text
https://www.billtrack50.com/BillDetail/743465
 

Yes, but the CSAF implied the ARP program is still going to be targeted by airframe. I wouldn't be shocked to see only the 11Fs and 11Us see any increase.

[pawnman]

3 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said:

Yes, but the CSAF implied the ARP program is still going to be targeted by airframe. I wouldn't be shocked to see only the 11Fs and 11Us see any increase.

I wonder how long that will be sustainable.  11B and 12B are all undermanned across the board as well, and we've been sucking up the bulk of the 11F-coded deployments that don't involve flying aircraft.  The rumor mill also says that AETC will be taking something like 70 11Bs for UPT because there are no fighter guys left.  Across 5 bomber bases, that's 14 pilots per base.  I can't imagine how we would get along losing 14 people to UPT in addition to the 365s we've been tasked to support.

Edited December 18, 2016 by pawnman

[General Chang]

17 hours ago, pawnman said:

I wonder how long that will be sustainable.  11B and 12B are all undermanned across the board as well, and we've been sucking up the bulk of the 11F-coded deployments that don't involve flying aircraft.  The rumor mill also says that AETC will be taking something like 70 11Bs for UPT because there are no fighter guys left.  Across 5 bomber bases, that's 14 pilots per base.  I can't imagine how we would get along losing 14 people to UPT in addition to the 365s we've been tasked to support.

We have a plan to backfill the bomber community with additional UPT grads to make up for any shortfall you may see over the next few years due to staff demands.  It will be better for your communities as well, since new pilots have more longevity.  All-around win-win.  

 

Hopefully the fighter and RPA guys get excited about the first bonus raise in a generation.  Definitely a sweet pot of money on that rainbow: $35K/yr for 9 years!  I am pleased that the issue of "raising the bonus" finally worked out.  We had a lot of personnelists spend many hours to make sure our pilots are paid the correct amount via the bonus.  Very exciting that it finally happened.  Pilots, wherever you are at, please thank a personnelist.  That small gesture will make a world of difference.

 

Merry Christmas, all.

[Ram]

Troll status: Confirmed.


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[Duck]

Chang, I love you bro, but I can't take you seriously!


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[TnkrToad]

2 hours ago, General Chang said:

Pilots, wherever you are at, please thank a personnelist.  That small gesture will make a world of difference.

Are these the same personnelists who were (1) key enablers in creating the pilot shortage mess in the first place, and (2) still can't even be bothered to post the End FY2016 Rated Retention Report--a doc that should take about 69 minutes to write, but we're almost 3 months into the new FY?

I know a number of personnelists who do great work, and I love 'em for it, but the current and near-term future pilot manning shortages within the AF represent a failure by personnelists (specifically rated managers) and the senior AF leaders who listened to them.

TT

[daynightindicator]

We have a plan to backfill the bomber community with additional UPT grads to make up for any shortfall you may see over the next few years due to staff demands.  It will be better for your communities as well, since new pilots have more longevity.  All-around win-win.  
 

And what's the plan to magic up all the instructors who will need to train these dudes?

It should go without saying, but to replace a pilot with X years experience, it takes X years. Trading combat experienced IPs for UPT grads is a shit deal.


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[Herk Driver]

 
Hopefully the fighter and RPA guys get excited about the first bonus raise in a generation.

What's your definition of "a generation"?

I've seen the increase to $25k and now $35k and all of that in my career.

Let's not try to make this sound like you just singlehandedly won the war.



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[WTFAF]

 We had a lot of personnelists spend many hours to make sure our pilots are paid the correct amount via the bonus.  Very exciting that it finally happened.  Pilots, wherever you are at, please thank a personnelist.  That small gesture will make a world of difference.

Thanks for the shit show. Now watch it continue when targeted $35k bonuses fail miserably.

[Magnum]

7 hours ago, General Chang said:

We have a plan to backfill the bomber community with additional UPT grads to make up for any shortfall you may see over the next few years due to staff demands.  It will be better for your communities as well, since new pilots have more longevity.  All-around win-win.  

 

Hopefully the fighter and RPA guys get excited about the first bonus raise in a generation.  Definitely a sweet pot of money on that rainbow: $35K/yr for 9 years!  I am pleased that the issue of "raising the bonus" finally worked out.  We had a lot of personnelists spend many hours to make sure our pilots are paid the correct amount via the bonus.  Very exciting that it finally happened.  Pilots, wherever you are at, please thank a personnelist.  That small gesture will make a world of difference.

 

Merry Christmas, all.

Ugh.  Just go away.

[herkbum]

Quit taking the bait


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[tk1313]

9 hours ago, General Chang said:

We had a lot of personnelists spend many hours to make sure our pilots are paid the correct amount via the bonus.  Very exciting that it finally happened.  Pilots, wherever you are at, please thank a personnelist.  That small gesture will make a world of difference.

 

[Jaded]

I actually should thank a personnelist. Their incompetence was a contributing factor in my decision to separate, and boy is life better on the outside!

[Guest]

I actually should thank a personnelist. Their incompetence was a contributing factor in my decision to separate, and boy is life better on the outside!

Next GC is going to be suggesting we thank a personnelist when we get to start collecting an extra $500 a month in stop-loss pay.


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[sqwatch]

Next GC is going to be suggesting we thank a personnelist when we get to start collecting an extra $500 a month in stop-loss pay.


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I thought it was only $250


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[Motofalcon]

12 hours ago, General Chang said:

We have a plan to backfill the bomber community with additional UPT grads ...All-around win-win.  

Until all the bomber squadrons start reporting red on SORTS and DRRS because their inexperience levels skyrocket and AC/IP numbers plummet...

Sounds like a win-lose; win on an excel spreadsheet, lose actual combat capability.  I'll go thank a personnelist for that. 

Pile-on question: where are all these UPT grads going to bombers coming from?  According to the assignment night thread, almost every -38 stud is going to a fighter. You gonna take em from T-1s?  So the shortage moves to the AMC world (more than it already exists)?  this is a serious question. 

Edited December 20, 2016 by Motofalcon
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[Sprkt69]

1 hour ago, Motofalcon said:

Until all the bomber squadrons start reporting red on SORTS and DRRS because their inexperience levels skyrocket and AC/IP numbers plummet...

Sounds like a win-lose; win on an excel spreadsheet, lose actual combat capability.  I'll go thank a personnelist for that. 

Pile-on question: where are all these UPT grads going to bombers coming from?  According to the assignment night thread, almost every -38 stud is going to a fighter. You gonna take em from T-1s?  So the shortage moves to the AMC world (more than it already exists)?  this is a serious question. 

Don't forget the SOF pilots and that the CV-22 community is trying to claim T-38 guys

[ViperStud]

If there was any remaining doubt, this post essentially proves he's a Comm weenie Capt butt-hurt that the office Lt is dating a pilot instead of him. Stop feeding the troll, guys. 

[HeloDude]

22 hours ago, General Chang said:

Pilots, wherever you are at, please thank a personnelist.  That small gesture will make a world of difference.

Only a moron would take credit for a disaster...

[Day Man]

23 hours ago, General Chang said:

Trolling

[MooseAg03]

As has been discussed here before, $35k/yr just corrects the bonus for inflation. It does nothing to help correct the additional ass pain that active duty has become since the original $25k/yr bonus. It doesn't move the needle for me one bit, but rather makes me more likely to find the quickest way off active duty as I come to the end of my UPT commitment.


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[SnapLock]

On 12/19/2016 at 10:51 AM, General Chang said:

Hopefully the fighter and RPA guys get excited about the first bonus raise in a generation.  Definitely a sweet pot of money on that rainbow: $35K/yr for 9 years!  I am pleased that the issue of "raising the bonus" finally worked out.  We had a lot of personnelists spend many hours to make sure our pilots are paid the correct amount via the bonus.  Very exciting that it finally happened.  Pilots, wherever you are at, please thank a personnelist.  That small gesture will make a world of difference.

 

Merry Christmas, all.

Sorry, I can't hold back anymore. Chang, you're an idiot! NO IT DID NOT "work out!" To the outsider looking into the pilot community you might think this is a good thing, but it is not!

Virtually nothing has been done to improve our QOL by the AF. Sure, we have a couple of civilians floating around the squadron trying to help out. Honestly, they suck. I find myself avoiding them because they are so incompetent and always asking me questions about how to do their job. They've even started to task me to get them stuff. I'm sure they'll get better but so far it hasn't helped. 

Other than that nothing has been done. I'm under a year until my commitment is up and with each passing day I am more and more convinced to leave this train wreck. It's not even a sinking ship to me anymore...it's a full fledged train wreck. The bonus situation ended up being a huge negative and I don't even think the AF realizes it yet.

Targeted bonuses to certain communities? Well, now you just pissed off those communities that aren't "targeted." $35K? Sounds like a slap in the face after the AF told us they were going for $48K. The House's first version of the NDAA had $60K. Now that $35K is downright insulting. The message that has been sent loud and clear now is that either the AF or Congress or both think that only increasing the bonus to compensate for inflation is enough. Well, it's not. I've been jerked around for a decade and I'm ready to live where I want to live. I'm ready to decide how I want to spend my time off, and not be told I have to engage in the mandatory fun or volunteer activities that the AF deems worthy. I'm ready to actually do the job I'm trained to do instead of a bunch of meaningless "tasks" that make those over me look good if I do a good job. I'm tired of SAPR or green dot training or whatever they decide to call it next. I'm not a rapist and I'm tired of being treated like a 2 year old. I don't want to spend a year away from my family in an awful location building power point slides for some guy that everyone bows too while also hating. I'm sick of this dysfunctional social experiment and I'm ready to get my life back. Good riddance. 

[sqwatch]

Lay off the sauce, and stop feeding the troll


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