Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[SocialD]

1 hour ago, icohftb said:

Maybe im clueless but isnt BMC around 6 sorties a month depending on the community?

In my 11F community (same communtity as I referenced above) BMC is 5 sorties/month.  Normal RAP is 6/month with some optipns for 3 month look back.   Hot pits, tankers and double turns are the name of the game for part timers.   4, maybe 5 days a month, + a 1 week SIM trip/ yr, and occasional TDYs are more than enough.  Some months you get RAP, some months not.  It's all part of being/dealing with part timers.  Most of my squadrons part timers would quit if leadership mandated 7 days a month.   That's unsustainable for guys with other jobs, even airline guys...especially when they hit 3rd year or captain pay and take massive pay cuts to drill.  

[Guest]

Not seeing anything on mypers yet.


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[Rifleman96]

Wonder how this will look.

"The fiscal 2017 NDAA provided authorization to increase Aviation Incentive Pay, commonly known as monthly flight pay, which the service plans to increase this summer."

https://www.af.mil/mobile/News/Article/1202627/air-force-announces-significant-changes-to-aviation-bonus-program/

[ViperStud]

Any rumors on what the ARC version will look like?  That being released today as well?

[Dogs-N-Guns]

2 minutes ago, ViperStud said:

Any rumors on what the ARC version will look like?  That being released today as well?

Looks like the AF Res and ANG programs are on mypers, just search "aviation bonus program". Short version, choose 1-3 year initial contract at $30K/yr.

Still waiting on the AD program specifics.

[genie90]

1 hour ago, Dogs-N-Guns said:

Looks like the AF Res and ANG programs are on mypers, just search "aviation bonus program". Short version, choose 1-3 year initial contract at $30K/yr.

Still waiting on the AD program specifics.

AFRC AvB (Aviation Bonus Program) is different than ANG ARP (Aviator Retention Pay)...

[BONE WSO]

7 minutes ago, genie90 said:

AFRC AvB (Aviation Bonus Program) is different than ANG ARP (Aviator Retention Pay)...

I emailed our POC at ANG and she said it would be released tomorrow.

[Herk Driver]

Does anyone have a copy of the actual message ?


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[Orbit]

 

57 minutes ago, Herk Driver said:

Does anyone have a copy of the actual message ?


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Someone posted it to the pilot network on facebook if you are on there.

[ThreeHoler]

Someone posted the AFRC one but I didn't see the AD one.

[pilotguy]

What is the over 6 years flight pay going to be raised to? Haven't been able to find any specifics. 

[Termy]

7 hours ago, ViperStud said:

Any rumors on what the ARC version will look like?  That being released today as well?

It was released if you didn't have a chance to look at it.  The 16 year TAFMS restriction is still in place which is frustrating.  And before you say, "well they already know they have got you," consider this:  that could be the difference in staying past 20.  I know of numerous folks (myself included) that were on the fence about extending their AGR time past 20.

[bronxbomber252]

https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/air-force-rolls-out-13-year-455-000-bonuses-for-fighter-pilots

As a 12H, $20,000 for 5 might make sense. Assuming I make major, the timing of my next PCS and the timing of this 5 year one both ADSC's would be expiring would be the same year (roughly) and with the ADSC for my current PCS and my TA, I'd only have about a 6-9month window in which I could punch before that next PCS anyway. So basically I'd get $100,000 for what is effectively a 2 year extension. I have some contemplating to do.

[Guest]

So, 35K for 11F and 11U, but only 28-30 for everyone else.  I can't see how this could backfire at all.

[Termy]

5 hours ago, bronxbomber252 said:

 So basically I'd get $100,000 for what is effectively a 2 year extension. I have some contemplating to do.

Not to be pedantic, but it really does matter: you would pocket $75,000 at the absolute top.  Make sure you factor taxes in when making this decision.

[HU&W]

I wonder how many 11F's are going to take the 13-year option.

[pawnman]

6 hours ago, bronxbomber252 said:

https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/air-force-rolls-out-13-year-455-000-bonuses-for-fighter-pilots

As a 12H, $20,000 for 5 might make sense. Assuming I make major, the timing of my next PCS and the timing of this 5 year one both ADSC's would be expiring would be the same year (roughly) and with the ADSC for my current PCS and my TA, I'd only have about a 6-9month window in which I could punch before that next PCS anyway. So basically I'd get $100,000 for what is effectively a 2 year extension. I have some contemplating to do.

FB implied that only 12X's who had an ADSC expiring in 2017 were eligible.  I haven't seen it via any official channels.

Seems to make perfect sense to me...retain pilots to about year 15, and CSOs to year 10-11.

[Homestar]

13 minutes ago, HU&W said:

I wonder how many 11F's are going to take the 13-year option.

I've never understood why someone would want to stay in past 20, unless they dreamed of being a Colonel in command of a Group or Wing or whatever.  But few people really know they're going to make O-6 at the ten year point that it makes no sense to sign a 13 year bonus.

[FourFans]

"The Air Force said airmen whose service commitments expired in fiscal 2016 or earlier will be ineligible, as are those whose commitments expire in fiscal 2018 or later. Airmen who have been recalled under the Voluntary Recall to Active Duty program, inter-service transfers, colonels or colonel-selects, and rated officers who are medically disqualified from aviation service are also ineligible."

Aside from the normal restrictions, notice how there's no early-eligible option (2018) or re-attack options for people taking prior bonuses wanting to re-up.

Seems like chaff that will only profit a very select group of pilots to see who bites instead of a broad reaching attempt to retain talent.

Not saying it's not shrewd, but it's certainly not a massive confidence booster.  Almost like they're trying to find out EXACTLY where the "line" is where they can retain just enough pilots without over-shooting.

I'll be interested to read the actual message.
 

Edited June 6, 2017 by FourFans130

[HU&W]

5 minutes ago, FourFans130 said:

"The Air Force said airmen whose service commitments expired in fiscal 2016 or earlier will be ineligible, as are those whose commitments expire in fiscal 2018 or later. Airmen who have been recalled under the Voluntary Recall to Active Duty program, inter-service transfers, colonels or colonel-selects, and rated officers who are medically disqualified from aviation service are also ineligible."

Aside from the normal restrictions, notice how there's no early-eligible option (2018) or re-attack options for people taking prior bonuses wanting to re-up.

Seems like chaff that will only profit a very select group of pilots to see who bites instead of a broad reaching attempt to retain talent.

Not saying it's not shrewd, but it's certainly not a massive confidence booster.  Almost like they're trying to find out EXACTLY where the "line" is where they can retain just enough pilots without over-shooting.

I'll be interested to read the actual message.
 

My thoughts exactly, especially with elimination of the lump sum, with one exception.  The 1 and 2 year options give pilots unreal flexibility.  The bonus won't be going away, so they give you a way to preserve your options, waiting for the next good deal.

[FourFans]

4 minutes ago, HU&W said:

My thoughts exactly, especially with elimination of the lump sum, with one exception.  The 1 and 2 year options give pilots unreal flexibility.  The bonus won't be going away, so they give you a way to preserve your options, waiting for the next good deal.

The 1 and 2 year option have me wondering what this will turn into though.  So you take your 1 year option, then don't get offered it again next year because it's only offered to one year group at a time with no re-attack option.  That does a great job of signaling "We're here for you in the long haul and we appreciate your talent."  Or not.

Anyone want to hazard a guess what will happen to those 1 and 2 year takers when it comes to promotions, good deal PCSs, and the next round of force shaping?  There's a code on the SURF that tells exactly how long your commitment is and why, so that bonus you took will be visible to all those decision makers.

[icohftb]

No uncommited eligible option. Im actually surprised.

1-2 yr option is great for those few people who are waiting out a pcs adsc. I bet that inflates the take rate and allows afpc to claim victory.

 

Edited June 6, 2017 by icohftb

[hatedont]

RPAs receive $35K? Did I read that correctly?

[Guest]

No uncommited eligible option. Im actually surprised.
1-2 yr option is great for those few people who are waiting out a pcs adsc. I bet that inflates the take rate and allows afpc to claim victory.
 

2-yr doesn't protect you from 365.


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[Guest]

RPAs receive $35K? Did I read that correctly?

Yes


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