Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[ThreeHoler]

Regarding aviation pay...there is no change to the gate months. The addition allows fliers in those specific positions to continue aviation pay even if not gate complete.

Para 3.3.b covers the rest of us in OFDA creditable positions (flying positions / API coded).


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[DirtyFlightSuit]

7 hours ago, Homestar said:

Oooooooooorrrrr... maybe he know what he’s talking about and is tired of the “sky is falling” self-fellating this board is famous for. 

I do agree the sky is not falling, that all of us who have left and will continue to leave will usher no change in this Air Force.  I accept that now, even though it doesn't make me happy to.  The Air Force will chug on, it will find new bodies to fill its "slots" because either thankfully or not our nation so far has been blessed with those willing to step forward and take on that sacrifice.  

However; there is a cost for being so accepting of the sheer lunacy at the top.  Those thinking for an instance that our endeavors in Afghanistan or Iraq/Syria will have any real positive effect on this world are either lying to themselves or simpletons.  Or thinking that if we produce more pilots quicker with more VR and "innovation" that we will some how stem the flow of experience leaving the door, or that somehow that inexperience will reverse the trend of ever increasing fatal accidents is insane.  So no the sky isn't falling but our service has been lowered that much more as a result of this inability to accept these truths. 

 More will die needlessly flying aircraft that are maintained by ever increasingly stressed out mx shops, inexperienced pilots, aircraft that are vastly beyond their shelf life, and more.  

So while I accept that reality, I refuse to defend those reinforcing it as defensible or correct. 

[SFG]

5 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

Regarding aviation pay...there is no change to the gate months. The addition allows fliers in those specific positions to continue aviation pay even if not gate complete.

Para 3.3.b covers the rest of us in OFDA creditable positions (flying positions / API coded).


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That’s correct. There has been no change to AvIP since that change in 2016. Since then, aviators placed in non-flying gigs who are not assigned to one of the 4 positions above are no longer eligible for AvIP regardless of gate-months completed.

[Guardian]

Heard this in the SQ the other day, too!  Looking forward to the LES in a few weeks when it takes effect...  Also, for the TECH's that are ADSC complete - and under 25 YAS - add the $18K AvB ART bonus that was approved in June.
YMMV, but the ART gig seems to be headed in a better direction for now, $$$. 

Completely depends on the unit and state though. They aren’t applying those things for tech’s universally.

[herkbum]

Completely depends on the unit and state though. They aren’t applying those things for tech’s universally.

For some reason I think the TAG has a say in this. So it would vary state to state.



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[Cooter]

On ‎12‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 1:09 AM, Homestar said:

Oooooooooorrrrr... maybe he know what he’s talking about and is tired of the “sky is falling” self-fellating this board is famous for. 

I have one of my squadrons that flies 99.9% of their sorties AFG unilateral and the others are just as capable, we partner as needed but usually for dynamic mission sets not safety related. Green on blue is always a concern but that doesn't mean people are walking around jocked up all the time (mostly). 

As stated, it's better to have the facts from people in the know instead or running around screaming fire.

Cooter

P.S. I've got FW/RW positions open if anyone is interested!

[gearhog]

10 hours ago, Cooter said:

I have one of my squadrons that flies 99.9% of their sorties AFG unilateral and the others are just as capable, we partner as needed but usually for dynamic mission sets not safety related. Green on blue is always a concern but that doesn't mean people are walking around jocked up all the time (mostly). 

As stated, it's better to have the facts from people in the know instead or running around screaming fire.

Cooter

P.S. I've got FW/RW positions open if anyone is interested!

I'm in a Guard unit that my be tagged for an AFG air advisor tasking in 2019. I'm having a hard time understanding your post because I don't know what positions your speaking from or about. I may be wrong, but your post and Homestar's post seem to be defending the assignment.

Are you saying it's a good deal for a guard guy, or bad, but not that bad...?

[Homestar]

6 minutes ago, torqued said:

Homestar's post

I did the job as a non-vol 2012-2013. I’m not going to defend it. 

My point is that the threat of a 365 right now is way overblown by fear mongers here. 

[gearhog]

2 minutes ago, Homestar said:

I did the job as a non-vol 2012-2013. I’m not going to defend it. 

My point is that the threat of a 365 right now is way overblown by fear mongers here. 

That's a vague accusation. Either the threat exists or it doesn't. You acknowledge that it exists, you're just disputing your interpretation of an unspecified individual's statement of how great the threat is. Hardly qualifies an argument that the whole board is sucking it's own c^&*,

[tac airlifter]

11 minutes ago, torqued said:

I'm in a Guard unit that my be tagged for an AFG air advisor tasking in 2019. I'm having a hard time understanding your post because I don't know what positions your speaking from or about. I may be wrong, but your post and Homestar's post seem to be defending the assignment.

Are you saying it's a good deal for a guard guy, or bad, but not that bad...?

It’s not about “defending the assignment.”  It’s about not spreading incorrect second hand information on a platform many folks use as a primary tool to gather information. 

Whether advising is a good deal or bad deal depends on you.  Mine is a good deal for me personally, but I’m not a 130 guy.

if you have specific questions I’m happy to talk over PM.  

[matmacwc]

200K a year is about the start for an experienced IP ART and my unit.  It is better cheddar than AGR but its more work.

[brabus]

Tucson sounds like they have shit well dialed in, and I know a few other units do as well.  But, word to the wise, this is one end of the spectrum and there are other units (reserve and ANG) who have terrible technician deals.  The problem usually lies with the wing and/or HRO, not OG and down.  So do your research at prospective units before you dive blindly in, some are not good deals (but may still be the right short term decision to get your family where you want them).

Edited January 2, 2019 by brabus

[MooseAg03]

I did the job as a non-vol 2012-2013. I’m not going to defend it. 
My point is that the threat of a 365 right now is way overblown by fear mongers here. 

When someone in my squadron with a STRD one year prior to mine had to 3 day opt a 365, the threat became very real. That’s why I won’t accept any kind of ADSC and will be jumping ship at the first opportunity.


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[Cooter]

4 hours ago, torqued said:

I'm in a Guard unit that my be tagged for an AFG air advisor tasking in 2019. I'm having a hard time understanding your post because I don't know what positions your speaking from or about. I may be wrong, but your post and Homestar's post seem to be defending the assignment.

Are you saying it's a good deal for a guard guy, or bad, but not that bad...?

Like Tac said, not defending just presenting the facts.  It's a war, there's some risk, there's risk getting out of bed in the morning. If you are interested in FW/RW partnered advisor positions you can PM me as well with a .mil.

Cooter

[IDALPHA]

16 hours ago, Homestar said:

I did the job as a non-vol 2012-2013. I’m not going to defend it. 

My point is that the threat of a 365 right now is way overblown by fear mongers here. 

Ah yes, the syndrome of “I had to so you should/don’t care if you have to”

Lines again blurred between this thread and “What’s wrong with the AF”

[DirtyFlightSuit]

I wonder if the AF is ballsy enough to pay planted propaganda individuals to try and defend their bullshit.  Oh who am I kidding, there are enough PCL Mid - Range individuals in my former squadron that were already drinking that stuff.  And they got year longs ;).  

[pawnman]

6 hours ago, IDALPHA said:

Ah yes, the syndrome of “I had to so you should/don’t care if you have to”

Lines again blurred between this thread and “What’s wrong with the AF”

That's not what he said at all.  He said there are far fewer 365s and far fewer people at risk for them as a result.  Not that everyone should do a 365.

[gearhog]

19 hours ago, Cooter said:

Like Tac said, not defending just presenting the facts.  It's a war, there's some risk, there's risk getting out of bed in the morning. If you are interested in FW/RW partnered advisor positions you can PM me as well with a .mil.

Cooter

I understand the necessity to correct the misconceptions, it's just that the corrections don't change the result. That result being: This is not something a Guard guy should feel compelled to accept.

[sqwatch]

23 hours ago, matmacwc said:

200K a year is about the start for an experienced IP ART and my unit.  It is better cheddar than AGR but its more work.

As one of those ARTs, I love being paid for extra jobs. It's a strange feeling to be compensated monetarily for the additional work I do. Reminds me of when I worked on the farm.

Edited January 3, 2019 by sqwatch

[sqwatch]

8 hours ago, IDALPHA said:

Ah yes, the syndrome of “I had to so you should/don’t care if you have to”

Lines again blurred between this thread and “What’s wrong with the AF”

ah yes, the syndrome of discounting the messenger to discredit their ideas

[Homestar]

10 hours ago, IDALPHA said:

Ah yes, the syndrome of “I had to so you should/don’t care if you have to”

Lines again blurred between this thread and “What’s wrong with the AF”

Jeeeezus that’s not what I said. I’m not plugged in so someone with access to the numbers will have to do the digging. Your anecdote does not mean you are more likely to get a 365. 

[Majestik Møøse]

5 hours ago, DirtyFlightSuit said:

I wonder if the AF is ballsy enough to pay planted propaganda individuals to try and defend their bullshit.  Oh who am I kidding, there are enough PCL Mid - Range individuals in my former squadron that were already drinking that stuff.  And they got year longs ;).  

Where do you suspect these individuals are posting their propaganda?

[tac airlifter]

3 hours ago, torqued said:

I understand the necessity to correct the misconceptions, it's just that the corrections don't change the result. That result being: This is not something a Guard guy should feel compelled to accept.

They don’t change the result for you, they might for another reader.  My corrective comments were for the benefit of others.  I don’t blame any AGR who passes on 130 advising.  I hope none are forced into it.

11 hours ago, IDALPHA said:

Ah yes, the syndrome of “I had to so you should/don’t care if you have to”

Lines again blurred between this thread and “What’s wrong with the AF”

Homestar is making a mathematical statement: there are less 365s.  Some of you are reading into his tone words that he is not saying.  

FWIW, I think 365s are crazy, but if they must exist should be filled by volunteers only.  Although the threat of being non-vol’d is mathematically less now than a few years ago, it’s still a real threat and a huge disservice to our personnel.

back to thread topic: the bonus is no where near enough to entice people to stay given what we put up with.   People are and afterthought in our organization and if we want to keep people, we have to fix that aspect of our culture. Since we can’t, because we are broken and stupid, we have to pay people a ridiculously huge amount of money to stay and put up with that shit. Turns out we can’t do that either. 

[BashiChuni]

4 hours ago, sqwatch said:

Reminds me of when I worked on the farm.

dont talk about the farm #OPSECplz

[SFG]

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