nunya Posted January 25, 2019 Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said: With a combined income of less than 189k Minor nit: phase out starts at $193k for 2019 and maximums are $6k. Edited January 25, 2019 by nunya
ThreeHoler Posted January 25, 2019 Posted January 25, 2019 Finally a number divisible by 12 or 24!Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app 1 2 1
Guest Posted January 25, 2019 Posted January 25, 2019 Minor nit: phase out starts at $193k for 2019 and maximums are $6k.Yeah, I was assuming he was talking about making his 2018 contributions since he still has a couple months. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
brabus Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) I especially like the ANG’s approach of offering $35K to permanent AGRs, but only offering $15K to anyone else on full time orders. AGRs need to be retained, sure, but you’re going to convince a bunch of DSGs to take multi-year orders to be the exact same as a perm AGR for al intents and purposes, with $20K less? Yep, makes sense. Edited January 26, 2019 by brabus 1
Gazmo Posted January 26, 2019 Posted January 26, 2019 200K a year is about the start for an experienced IP ART and my unit. It is better cheddar than AGR but its more work.In my eyes, those that will reap the benefits of the new ART pay tables will be those building time for the majors, those who never wanted to be an airline pilot and/or those who were furloughed almost two decades ago and at the crossroads, decided to make a career out of being an ART. However, the majority of the ART youth right now in the 1LT to senior Captain range are being bit by the commercial aviation bug every time a guy like me walks into the Sq with a smile on my face knowing that after my double AFTP, I get to go home and sit on short call reserve for weeks on end without getting tapped for work and don't have to deal with the daily grind of bullshit I don't miss one bit, even if I am making almost $100,000 per year less than I could be as an ART right now. With Capt upgrades at most of the majors plummeting to the 4-6 year mark, $300,000+ per year is within reach very quickly if you want the responsibility. 1 1
SocialD Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) On 1/26/2019 at 10:01 AM, brabus said: I especially like the ANG’s approach of offering $35K to permanent AGRs, but only offering $15K to anyone else on full time orders. AGRs need to be retained, sure, but you’re going to convince a bunch of DSGs to take multi-year orders to be the exact same as a perm AGR for al intents and purposes, with $20K less? Yep, makes sense. Right! - Does anyone in Ivory tower even listen to the commoners/step foot outside of their tower? - I'll give them credit for nixing the one big bonus per career. - I could work as little as 9 days/month at DAL (13 days/month counting Guard duty) and I would still be taking a 15-30k paycut to take the bonus. This even accounts for the tax benefit of mil pay vs civ pay. - Most of our Perm AGRs are filled by dudes still under a UPT contract, thus not eligible. - We utilize temp AGR and ADOS to bring guys back on orders...here's hoping they'll waive the Perm AGR requirement. - We don't need a 1:1 pay exchange. But if you want us to come back to computer systems that barely run, epic battles with DTS, a system that seems to always be fighting you and fly the same as a part timer...it's going to have to be much better than 35k to sign on for 2-years (I understand 35k is the federal limit...by why not 1 year). - Unless they waive the Perm AGR thing, this bonus will likely do very little to help my squadron. - I would have jumped at a 35k/1-year bonus. - My 2018 DAL W2 was 22k more than what I'd make if I took the bonus right now...and I only worked at DAL 9 months that year... Edited January 29, 2019 by SocialD 2
Uptapplicant2019 Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 Question, I'm currently an active duty 1lt (prior enlised) with 6 years time in service and headed to UPT in October...will I be eligible for any continuation pay after my initial 10 year UPT commitment if I'm already at 17ish years in service?
osulax05 Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Uptapplicant2019 said: Question, I'm currently an active duty 1lt (prior enlised) with 6 years time in service and headed to UPT in October...will I be eligible for any continuation pay after my initial 10 year UPT commitment if I'm already at 17ish years in service? The AvB changes year to year based on retention requirements. Who knows what the specifics will be 10 years from now.
IDALPHA Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 9 hours ago, Uptapplicant2019 said: Question, I'm currently an active duty 1lt (prior enlised) with 6 years time in service and headed to UPT in October...will I be eligible for any continuation pay after my initial 10 year UPT commitment if I'm already at 17ish years in service? You’re assuming that 10 years will still be the commitment huh?
SocialD Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 It looks like the Reserves allowed the big bonus down to 1 year sets of orders. Maybe next year the ANG guys will pull their heads out of their asses and do the same, though I'm not very optimistic.
brabus Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Great. So now the question is, sign up for > 1 yr of orders at $15K/yr or just sign up for 1 yr and hope the ANG follows the RES next year re: 35K/yr?
SocialD Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 If you're going to take >1 year orders anyway, take the big bonus for 2 years...bird in the hand. AFRC staff asked for 1 year and got it...why didn't the ANG Staff ask for the same? I wouldn't hold out much faith that it will change next year.
Squirt Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 13 hours ago, SocialD said: It looks like the Reserves allowed the big bonus down to 1 year sets of orders. Maybe next year the ANG guys will pull their heads out of their asses and do the same, though I'm not very optimistic. Does this include MPA for a year or greater?
Guardian Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Did anything change for guard? Can you still give up your status and get out of the bonus?
brabus Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Yes, you can curtail your orders/turn off the bonus. Caveats: Curtailment requires TAG approval (I haven't heard of it being denied before, but it could be), read the bonus paperwork for specifics, but there is typically some min amount of time required to avoid having to pay back bonus. Example: You sign a 6 yr $35K bonus; it requires you to serve at least 4 years to keep that $35K/yr. If you curtail your orders at year 2.5 you are now only eligible for the $15K bonus, which means you were overpaid $40K (received $70K, but now are only owed $30K under your new, self-imposed bonus tier). If you serve 4 years and curtail the last 2, you keep everything.
SocialD Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, Guardian said: Did anything change for guard? Can you still give up your status and get out of the bonus? They lowered the limit from 3 years to 2 years for the big bonus. Small bonus remains 15k. They further limited the type of orders, you must be perm AGR and NOT ADOS or temp AGR (you can bet stat tours are covered though...). Getting out of the bonus is up to TAG...you feeling lucky? I'm not willing to go into a signed contract with full intention of breaking it AND counting on the hope that TAG will approve such a curtailment.
herkbum Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Yes, you can curtail your orders/turn off the bonus. Caveats: Curtailment requires TAG approval (I haven't heard of it being denied before, but it could be), read the bonus paperwork for specifics, but there is typically some min amount of time required to avoid having to pay back bonus. Example: You sign a 6 yr $35K bonus; it requires you to serve at least 4 years to keep that $35K/yr. If you curtail your orders at year 2.5 you are now only eligible for the $15K bonus, which means you were overpaid $40K (received $70K, but now are only owed $30K under your new, self-imposed bonus tier). If you serve 4 years and curtail the last 2, you keep everything.Since it’s paid in arrears now (annually), is there a payback requirement? Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app
Guardian Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Yes, you can curtail your orders/turn off the bonus. Caveats: Curtailment requires TAG approval (I haven't heard of it being denied before, but it could be), read the bonus paperwork for specifics, but there is typically some min amount of time required to avoid having to pay back bonus. Example: You sign a 6 yr $35K bonus; it requires you to serve at least 4 years to keep that $35K/yr. If you curtail your orders at year 2.5 you are now only eligible for the $15K bonus, which means you were overpaid $40K (received $70K, but now are only owed $30K under your new, self-imposed bonus tier). If you serve 4 years and curtail the last 2, you keep everything.I haven’t done it but I heard if you remain in the unit as a part timer then when you cancel your bonus and have to pay it back that you can basically do an interest free loan back to the government and slowly pay it back. Doesn’t have to be lump sum.
Guardian Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Since it’s paid in arrears now (annually), is there a payback requirement? Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile appDon’t know about this year but yes there has been in the recent past a payback requirement. For the big bonus longer than 2 years if you accomplished less than 2 years then you had to pay it all back. If you only made it greater than 2 years but less than 4 you had to pay back 10k a year. If you make it longer than 4 then you keep what you got.
brabus Posted February 1, 2019 Posted February 1, 2019 22 hours ago, herkbum said: Since it’s paid in arrears now (annually), is there a payback requirement? Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app See my example above, and what guardian said for another example. It is plainly spelled out in the bonus language - bottom line there will be some payback if you don’t do a min amount of your total years you originally signed up for (based on bonus type/length), BUT there is also a time point where if you pass, you can keep it all and still not do the entire length you signed up for. Infinitely better than the AD bonus, which makes me laugh (and feel bad for my AD bonus friends) 1
herkbum Posted February 2, 2019 Posted February 2, 2019 See my example above, and what guardian said for another example. It is plainly spelled out in the bonus language - bottom line there will be some payback if you don’t do a min amount of your total years you originally signed up for (based on bonus type/length), BUT there is also a time point where if you pass, you can keep it all and still not do the entire length you signed up for. Infinitely better than the AD bonus, which makes me laugh (and feel bad for my AD bonus friends)I’ve always signed the min bonus so time has never been an issue for me. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app
BTLFlyer Posted February 2, 2019 Posted February 2, 2019 Where can I find the ANG bonus guidance for 19'? Thanks!
BONE WSO Posted February 4, 2019 Posted February 4, 2019 On 2/2/2019 at 2:10 PM, BTLFlyer said: Where can I find the ANG bonus guidance for 19'? Thanks! PM me your .mil email address and I will send it to you.
brabus Posted February 4, 2019 Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) From memory when I read it ~1.5 weeks ago (probably not 100% accurate, but you get the gist): Tier 1: $35k/yr for 2-6 years. Only for permanent AGR 11F. Tier 2: $25K/yr for 2-6 years. Only for permanent AGR 12F, RPA, and I think one other AFSC Tier 3: $15K/yr for 1-3 years. For DSGs on orders (ADOS, temp AGR, etc.) that meet the required period of service. All paid in arrears. Edited February 6, 2019 by brabus Increased accuracy
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