Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[Scooter14]

Great.  Maybe they’ll bring back early retirement.

Don’t tease me

[DuckHunter]

3 hours ago, Scooter14 said:

Don’t tease me

Haha, I’m teasing myself.  I’m one of the guys who was getting out (hit submit on my apps Mar 15, Aug separation date).  I took the 3 year to see how things play out.  That would be my best case scenario.

That being said, I know better.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me a million times…

[teaser]

Wait until the Bob's realize how many pilots are going to be required to conduct Over The Horizon missions.   I have a feeling they are already regretting the recently reduced bonus amounts.

[Sprkt69]

6 hours ago, teaser said:

Wait until the Bob's realize how many pilots are going to be required to conduct Over The Horizon missions.   I have a feeling they are already regretting the recently reduced bonus amounts.

I doubt it

[Guest]

On 9/23/2021 at 12:51 PM, Sprkt69 said:

I doubt it

Sadly, it's probably this. Why do anything positive to keep pilot retention? Congress gives ANOTHER billion to the modern nation-state Israel instead 🤣

[08Dawg]

On 9/1/2021 at 7:27 PM, DuckHunter said:

Great.  Maybe they’ll bring back early retirement.

Don’t tempt me with a good time

[Hunter Rose]

With the fiscal year over, I was curious where the take rates ended up.  They were abysmal, as we all knew they would be.

Overall rated take rates for Initial Eligible folks was 42.5%, but that is artificially inflated primarily by higher take rates among CSOs and RPA pilots.

Fixed Wing Pilot initial take rate was 35.4%.

AFSC breakouts were as follows:

11B - 30%

11F - 29%

11M - 31%

11H - 56%

11S - 54%

Can't wait to see the spin if this gets any visibility in Congress.

[raimius]

3 hours ago, Hunter Rose said:

With the fiscal year over, I was curious where the take rates ended up.  They were abysmal, as we all knew they would be.

Overall rated take rates for Initial Eligible folks was 42.5%, but that is artificially inflated primarily by higher take rates among CSOs and RPA pilots.

Fixed Wing Pilot initial take rate was 35.4%.

AFSC breakouts were as follows:

11B - 30%

11F - 29%

11M - 31%

11H - 56%

11S - 54%

Can't wait to see the spin if this gets any visibility in Congress.

Curious what was the 11H rotary-wing rate?

[Smokin]

Breaking news, congress doesn't care.  They might ask 'did the 29% of fighter pilots that took the bonus complete their weekly CBT on transgender anti-racism training?'

[HeloDude]

7 hours ago, raimius said:

Curious what was the 11H rotary-wing rate?

If I’m a betting man, I bet it’s around 60-65%.  That’s assuming that HC-130 pilots make up 15-20% of the 11Hs and that about 35% of those pilots took the bonus.  

[Guardian]

What is a good or ideal take rate from the viewpoint of big blue?

[jazzdude]

What is a good or ideal take rate from the viewpoint of big blue?

The number used to be something like 65% take rate target. Haven't been anywhere near that for several years

[King Ranch]

Any rumors on next year’s bonus?

[Sua Sponte]

9 hours ago, King Ranch said:

Any rumors on next year’s bonus?

They're just going to pay for your ATP, Airline Apps, Prep course, etc.

[Bigred]

11 hours ago, King Ranch said:

Any rumors on next year’s bonus?

Took a quick search through the 2022 NDAA and I found something to the effect of ‘extending special pay/bonuses’. So, it doesn’t look like the max will change. Now it’s up to the AF to decide how they want to spend it. 

[08Dawg]

I’d like to think after bungling it spectacularly last year, they’ll course correct back to something more like the FY19 bonus….but that implies intelligence and caring on the AF’s part. 

[CaptainMorgan]

Given they’re doubling down on producing rather than retaining to solve the shortage, I doubt we’ll see any improvements to the bonus. With Afghanistan over, I could also see them adjusting MAF crew ratios again to “help” our manning.


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[FlyingWolf]

We're looking at the highest inflationary environment in most of our lifetimes, big airline hiring at the beginning of a long term surge, and omicron likely signaling endemic C-19. All on the heels of a dramatically poor take rate last year.

 

You would think an adjustment to the contract offering would be a no-brainer...

 

but who knows, maybe we need to fail catastrophically before we change.

Edited December 28, 2021 by FlyingWolf

[Chida]

NDAA just signed had this nugget: Reservist pilots to receive flight pay at the same monthly rate as an active duty guy, regardless of duty days, but first the services need to present their concerns to Congress, so who knows when it will actually be implemented.

https://www.ngaus.org/about-ngaus/newsroom/incentive-pay-parity-included-final-ndaa

[Scooter14]

NDAA just signed had this nugget: Reservist pilots to receive flight pay at the same monthly rate as an active duty guy, regardless of duty days, but first the services need to present their concerns to Congress, so who knows when it will actually be implemented.
https://www.ngaus.org/about-ngaus/newsroom/incentive-pay-parity-included-final-ndaa

I remember signing a petition on some GeoCities website (remember that) around the turn of the century.

The fact that reservists maintain the exact same quals but only got paid 1/30th of the flight pay per AFTP always irked me. I hope it goes through but much like expanded Space A benefits for reservists (which made it into the NDAA but never got implemented) I’m not holding my breath.

[CaptainMorgan]

It has nothing to do with quals and never will. It’s ultimately about getting a 24/7 employee.


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[Chida]

Yeah I could see them saying something like "well we paid you a whole month of flight pay so really you're now 'on duty' even when you're not on duty" and then this line of thinking goes a step further to be "on call" so that if "you're the only one" you can be ordered to come in to the squadron to do whatever. Active duty lite.

[SocialD]

5 hours ago, CaptainMorgan said:

It has nothing to do with quals and never will. It’s ultimately about getting a 24/7 employee.

 

They get a 24/7 employee with the full base pay, ACIP is to incentivize staying aircrew.  I did have to laugh at this move because if I were a full-timer considering the jump to DSG/airline, getting full flight pay as a DSG isn't going to be an item I add to the "stay full time" column lol.

 

5 hours ago, Chida said:

Yeah I could see them saying something like "well we paid you a whole month of flight pay so really you're now 'on duty' even when you're not on duty" and then this line of thinking goes a step further to be "on call" so that if "you're the only one" you can be ordered to come in to the squadron to do whatever. Active duty lite.

 

Creeping up on 21 years in the ANG...as compared to when I joined, we've already become AD lite.  But I don't see the full ACIP means you're "on duty" line of thinking.  I can't even get a shot on base without being in a pay status...UTA/AFTP/AT/ST/AGR/etc.. are pay statuses, ACIP is not.  Also, we're also already "on call."  A recent example, the Friday afternoon before Christmas we got an e-mail asking for (by COB) specific reasons why we (individually) couldn't be activated for 502F state orders with a start date of the following Monday.  The Governor decided to activate 1,300 of the Air/Army National Guard for ronas duties a few days prior to Christmas.  We filled our quota with less than half volunteers, the rest were non-vols. Obviously, we could also be called up at any given time for any Federal activation.  

 

 

 

[slc]

7 hours ago, Scooter14 said:

 

I remember signing a petition on some GeoCities website (remember that) around the turn of the century.

The fact that reservists maintain the exact same quals but only got paid 1/30th of the flight pay per AFTP always irked me. I hope it goes through but much like expanded Space A benefits for reservists (which made it into the NDAA but never got implemented) I’m not holding my breath.
 

 

What were the expanded Space A benefits specifically?  This always pissed me off as well.  Can't take dependents Space A even in CONUS.  You have to wait till you're "activated"

[ThreeHoler]

I remember signing a petition on some GeoCities website (remember that) around the turn of the century.

The fact that reservists maintain the exact same quals but only got paid 1/30th of the flight pay per AFTP always irked me. I hope it goes through but much like expanded Space A benefits for reservists (which made it into the NDAA but never got implemented) I’m not holding my breath.

IMO, ARC should get the full ACIP as long as they meet the same requirements of AD: 4 hours in a month (OFDA creditable month) within the last 3 months.