Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[hindsight2020]

5 hours ago, brabus said:

ANG and RES develop their own bonuses separate from AD, and each other, every year. They almost always match or exceed the AD bonus…at least in the last 6 years of my experience. 

Yup. The provisions are tiered and wildly varying depending on the sub-group in question (ART, AGR, TR [DSG as you title32 poors call it 😄 ]). 

[viperdriver1313]

Word on the street was the bonus came out late today? Wanted to see if anyone knew anything because I haven’t seen anything.
Seems early..

dont kill the messenger 

Edited January 4, 2023 by viperdriver1313

[DuckHunter]

I haven’t seen a PSDM yet.  Memo sent out late last month to the Wing/CCs said to look for it this month though.

[disgruntledemployee]

On 1/3/2023 at 10:43 PM, viperdriver1313 said:

Word on the street was the bonus came out late today? Wanted to see if anyone knew anything because I haven’t seen anything.
 

This year's bonus is a link to Airline Apps.  It's the most they could afford.

[08Dawg]

As of 1500L CST…nothing on myPers 

[FLEA]

You can tell the lack of interest in retaining pilots by the lack of urgency in getting these PSDMs out. Like literally, every day, some dude or dudette is hitting their go/no-go decision point on hitting the punch out button, and they may be waiting to see what the bonus is like to stay in. As an 11R I would certainly not have risked staying if I knew a few days later there wouldn't be any bonus offered at all. Thankfully something that I didn't get caught by but know a few people that did.

[HeyWatchThis]

On 12/9/2022 at 6:22 PM, nsplayr said:

Has there been any progress on seeing an entire month’s or flight pay for just attending drill for DSGs? I thought that was part of the last NDAA but maybe it was only talked about. I’ve been on full-time orders for a bit so I haven’t kept track super closely.

My going assumption is that it’s the law but DFAS somehow can’t execute it so…fuck us apparently 🤷‍♂️

The DoD was supposed to submit a report NLT Oct 1, 2023 on how they were going to implement the full flight pay raise.  They could try and get out of it if they could justify that raising guard/reserve flight pay to full pay was "detrimental to the force".  

They (DoD) basically ignored the requirement and didnt do the report.  The writers of that verbiage then called the DoD out for not submitting said report and the DoD asked for an extension.....that's the last I've heard of it...haven't had a chance to check and see if they tried to strip the language from FY23 NDAA.

 

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/10/26/delay-incentive-pay-boost-guard-and-reserves-draws-rebuke-lawmakers.html 

[viper154]

On 1/3/2023 at 10:43 PM, viperdriver1313 said:

Word on the street was the bonus came out late today? Wanted to see if anyone knew anything because I haven’t seen anything.
Seems early..

dont kill the messenger 

There was a memo sent to commanders. Details are vague/no PDSM yet, but something about a demo program offering up to 50k a year for folks with a UFT ADSC expiring in 23/24/25. After FY 23 you don’t get the full amount if you decide later to sign a bonus.  You also get an “assignment of preference” The memo did say a PDSM may be released as early as Jan 23. 

No details on how long the bonus offerings will be, cutoff dates for when you need to sign to get the full amount, or the definition of “assignment of preference”  

 

 

 

 

[nsplayr]

8 hours ago, HeyWatchThis said:

The DoD was supposed to submit a report NLT Oct 1, 2023 on how they were going to implement the full flight pay raise.  They could try and get out of it if they could justify that raising guard/reserve flight pay to full pay was "detrimental to the force".  

They (DoD) basically ignored the requirement and didnt do the report.  The writers of that verbiage then called the DoD out for not submitting said report and the DoD asked for an extension.....that's the last I've heard of it...haven't had a chance to check and see if they tried to strip the language from FY23 NDAA.

 

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/10/26/delay-incentive-pay-boost-guard-and-reserves-draws-rebuke-lawmakers.html 

Dude this kind of shit infuriates me. Congress passed a law, it's signed by the President, it directs the DoD to do X,Y, or Z. The DoD then fails to take any action, can't update AFIs in a timely fashion, provides vague or no business rule guidance or policy memos, and then just fucking gets away with it sometimes for YEARS. If I were a Congressman I would unscrew heads and start shitting down necks until the law was implemented.

This same thing has happened with the 2021 NDAA expanded baby leave on the Guard side. I've literally been told I (and quite a few other guys in my unit) fall into an "unfortunate Catch-22" that prevents us from taking the leave...it's shenanigans. We had babies (well, our wives did, thanks dear!), we earned the leave, but we can't take it, what kind of fuckery is that? Our local-level commanders are pissed and sympathetic, but they are hamstrung by MAJCOM and NGB nonners who are saying it can't be done.

An officer's job, IMHO, is to receive intent from his/her superiors all the way up to the NCA, and then apply his/her knowledge, skills, leadership, creativity and ingenuity in order to meet that intent with appropriate effects on the battlefield, however that is defined for your career field.

Somehow every single one (ok, to be fair, 99.69%) of our personnelists and finance officers seems to have missed that very important lesson from their commissioning source and subsequent PME. As a group, they are pedantic, lawyerly, miserly bean counter shoe clerks who treat every single dollar as if it's coming out of their own personal wallet and scour every single potentially beneficial personnel policy for loopholes and ways they can fuck people over rather than implementing the intent of the policy as written.

/rant off

Edited January 12, 2023 by nsplayr

[brabus]

9 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Our local-level commanders are pissed and sympathetic,

So why don’t guys just not come to work for 2 weeks, no paperwork, nobody cares. Problem circumvented. 100% agree on your point though. 

[nsplayr]

6 minutes ago, brabus said:

So why don’t guys just not come to work for 2 weeks, no paperwork, nobody cares. Problem circumvented. 100% agree on your point though. 

Well the earned amount of leave under the new policy is 12 weeks for dads (all numbers here are dad-centric, no offense to the moms out there).

I am sympathetic to commanders that say that is much harder to swallow than 10 days (my first baby) or 3 weeks (recent policy) that previous AFIs have directed, that’s valid.

BUT, the law says 12 weeks and active duty has done it fairly seamlessly from what I’ve heard so #NoExcuses.

We can’t just fail to follow the law because it’s inconvenient, and if the bean counters need to add slightly more days/dollars to the unit funding algorithm to account for this change in the law, so be it, make the change and move on. There’s already a buffer built in for illness/injury, bereavement leave, personal leave that accrues and is taken, and the old baby leave policy.

Edited January 12, 2023 by nsplayr

[brabus]

Wow, didn’t realize it was 12 weeks. Totally agree, but I still feel like a CC can do the same thing. It’s “hard,” but it’s also the right thing to do in light of the fucktards in MSG world constant failures. 

[Biff_T]

Do you have to be married to take the 12 weeks of baby leave?  If not, you could go to your favorite SE Asian country,  Eastern Europe, Colombia and etc..to raw dog some chicks a few times a year.  Have them popping out kids like a factory, getting a few extra months off a year.  Dudes like Nick Cannon, with 12 kids, would have a lot of time to relax on Uncle Sugar's dime.  The secret is not having the babies in the US.  That way you can avoid child support.    

You can use the bonus to help pay for all of the travel costs.  Lol

[Bigred]

48 minutes ago, Biff_T said:

If not, you could go to your favorite SE Asian country,  Eastern Europe, Colombia and etc..to raw dog some chicks a few times a year. 

Not only do you get a new kid, but an exciting new STD! It’s a win-win?

[FLEA]

1 hour ago, Bigred said:

Not only do you get a new kid, but an exciting new STD! It’s a win-win?

To be honest, now that Biff_T mentions it, they may need to amend this policy to not apply to load masters. 

[mcbush]

2 hours ago, FLEA said:

load masters

STS

[Biff_T]

2 hours ago, FLEA said:

To be honest, now that Biff_T mentions it, they may need to amend this policy to not apply to load masters. 

 

19 minutes ago, mcbush said:

STS

 

😆 🤣 😂 

[Biff_T]

4 hours ago, Bigred said:

Not only do you get a new kid, but an exciting new STD! It’s a win-win?

Some people are into pain for pleasure.  

[BANDIT_K]

Anyone know if you can take the bonus (for your previous rated field) while in cross training into different rated field? I have heard mixed reviews and am curious if anyone has any wisdom on the matter. I've heard one argument is since your primary ADSC is still the former rating until you get new wings, you are eligible if your former career field has a bonus. On the flip side others have told me you have no shot if cross training. 

[Danger41]

I’ve got a good friend who took a CSO bonus with UPT orders in hand and is still receiving the CSO bonus as a pilot. That was a few years ago but I know it was possible.

[artvandelay43201]

Nothing like a prior nav copilot making 1.5x more than the AC

Edited January 13, 2023 by artvandelay43201

[Scooter14]

I’ve got a good friend who took a CSO bonus with UPT orders in hand and is still receiving the CSO bonus as a pilot. That was a few years ago but I know it was possible.

Speaking from experience, if I was your friend, I would be prepared to pay that money back at some point.


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[herkbum]

Speaking from experience, if I was your friend, I would be prepared to pay that money back at some point.


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They always catch ya in the end!


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[SocialD]

They always catch ya in the end!


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Just hope it happens on AD and they don't catch you until you're in the Guard... The story is too convoluted and hard to explain in full detail, but I'll do my best to paraphrase.

Bottom line, AD finance jacked up big time and paid taxes to DFAS when they shouldn't have (overseas pay from a tax free zone). By the time they figured it out their mistake, my squadron mate had transferred to the Guard. Apparently, the AD system can't talk to the Guard system, so they couldn't simply garnish his wages.

The AD finally reached him and tried to tell him he had to pay them 10k and that he'd get it back in his taxes. He told the AD to pound sand and fix their own up. They threatened him more and he told them to pound more sand. Somewhere in there, he got his State Senator father involved. He won!

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[NUKE]

On 1/13/2023 at 1:05 AM, Danger41 said:

I’ve got a good friend who took a CSO bonus with UPT orders in hand and is still receiving the CSO bonus as a pilot. That was a few years ago but I know it was possible.

I’ve seen this 2-3 times in the Strike Eagle world.