KC10 Extender vs. C17 Globemaster

[Guest pinko]

From the searching I've done on this forum, I've noticed a trend. "Good family life" tends to be associated with the KC10, and "gone all the time" seems to be associated with the C17. Can anybody confirm or deny this observation?

Thanks in advance.

[Gravedigger]

I can confirm the gone all the time thing for C-17s.

[Guest SnakeT38]

Flown the DC-10-10 and -30 (KC-10), loved both.

Refueled behind 135 and KC10, like the 10 way more.

[LJ Driver]

Originally posted by c17wannabe:

I can confirm the gone all the time thing for C-17s.

How is that? I thought you were a cadet.

[Gravedigger]

I am indeed a cadet. Every time I tell someone in the Air Force what I want to fly, I hear "so, your not planning on raising a family, are you?" That, and there have been a shit ton of posts on C-17 deployment.

[ 22. April 2005, 21:31: Message edited by: c17wannabe ]

[WHAP]

My flight commander was a C-17 guy from charleston, he says he wasnt gone all the time.

[Guest spar91]

lt's and young capt's are "gone all the time" in the c-17. maj's and lt col's are not. the higher you get in rank/responsibility, the more you're home for your "desk job". or, if you're lucky enough to be an exec - they are home more than average too - but not in a fun way...

[Shut up 'n color]

What exactly does "GONE ALL THE TIME" mean??? like 20 days of very month....or 10? 4 or 5 months straight at a time??

[Guest Rainman A-10]

Originally posted by spar91:

...if you're lucky enough to be an exec...

What?!

[Rocker]

c17wannabe doesn't fly C-17s, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Seriously, dude, don't get in the habit of giving too much advice based only on what you've heard. That "better not plan on raising a family" nonsense is just silly. The ease or convenience of raising a family has nothing to do with your airframe. It has everything to do with how supportive, understanding, and how willing to deal with hardship your wife is (and you, really). We can all think of people who have trouble raising a family without being gone at all (military or not), and I know I can think of several folks I've known personally, flying for AFSOC and other jobs who've been gone A LOT and have raised very happy families.

[Gravedigger]

Alright, here you go.

C-17 thread C-17 TDY a little more

And for what I've heard, not seen, not flown, but heard, from a 17 dude: "C-17s are the perfect airplane for a young Lt that wants to see the world, fly a ton, and enjoy being single."

[LJ Driver]

The point is, don't give the impression that you're speaking from experience when you obviously aren't. Everyone is gone a crap-load, some more of a crap-load, some slightly less, but a crap-load still.

[scoobs]

If you look through this guys blog you will see what its like.He came from tankers and Uav's and was regreting going to the C-17.Coming back from a 2 week trip only to be home for 2 days before going on another 2 week trip.

www.afpilot.com

[ 23. April 2005, 18:41: Message edited by: scoobs ]

[LJ Driver]

Dude, welcome to the Air Force, and airlift in particular. I have buds in most every heavy the AF flies, and I don't know any that aren't gone less than 200-250 days a year. Most are more than that.

[Guest jmac2222]

Originally posted by Rocker:

c17wannabe doesn't fly C-17s, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

LOL

[scoobs]

Isn't it correct that the C-5 and KC-10 guys aren't gone 200 days a year?

[LJ Driver]

One of my best buds is a C-5 AC, he was gone 285 days in 2003, now he is an exec so it's less. KC-10's are tankers/airlifters, they are in high demand also.

[M2]

quote:

What?!

[Bergman]

Originally posted by scoobs:

Isn't it correct that the C-5 and KC-10 guys aren't gone 200 days a year?

EVERYONE is gone 200 days a year, at least in the heavy world.

[scoobs]

The only reason I said that was the KC-10 guy said they average 7 RON's a month plus one 3 or 4 month deployment to the desert.

[Techsan]

Originally posted by Bergman:

EVERYONE is gone 200 days a year, at least in the heavy world.

[Guest HueyPilot]

No, a C-21 is not a "heavy"!

OSA is a different world from the rest of AMC. Enjoy it while you can.

[Techsan]

I am definitly basking in the OSA sun! :cool:

[Guest AirGuardian]

Concur with Rainmaster and M3,

WHAT!!!

I was exec for four years through four Sqdn CC's...

I'd go TDY to get away from my duties, well I'd do it on a laptop away from home and not get bugged. I can ignore ANY cell phone...

[Gas Man]

Just got back from Frankfurt yesterday. We were taking C-17 crews from Tacoma over in the mighty -135. Great bunch of guys. Anyway they told me they are doing a 2 week rotation based out of Germany, then they said they are usually only home for a few days, then back out again. Sometimes they only get one day home, then back out again. They are working their asses off. I've got mad respect for the work those guys are doing. When we pulled into the Mil Ramp at Frankfurt we pulled into our spot right behind a C-17 being loaded with flag draped coffins. It was a sobering experience. I'm not sure about the KC-10 guys, and I could be wrong, but I would find it hard to believe they are on the road half as much as the C-17 crews. Hey all you C-17 guys out there, keep up the good work, you guys kick ass.

Oh yea one more thing, if any of you are planning on flying into Frankfurt make sure you copy all of the SIDS they have at the AMCC desk in their FOUO folder. We thought we did, but the one page we were missing was the one we were assigned. We had to have our 3rd pilot run in and copy it for us as it is not in the approach plates either, along with several others that they regularly assign. Also they expect you to fly these crazy DPs to GPS exactness. We are not allowed to use our GPS as the primary means of navigation in the terminal area. The C-17 guys were telling us they get violated all of the time due to how strict the tollerences are on the DPs. Damn Germans.

One more thing, the prostitutes down in the red light district don't like it when you take their picture. In fact they get very angry. One of our crew chiefs almost found out the hard way. So if you are over there or planning on going anytime soon, don't do that.