Flyover/flyby Q&A

[contraildash]

So does it mean that folks can support military airshows? That is what the website leads me to understand. As far as flying demos at military air shows, not sure.

[BADFNZ]

So does it mean that folks can support military airshows? That is what the website leads me to understand. As far as flying demos at military air shows, not sure.

That's the way it sounds to me, but are military airshows back on?

[stract]

yes. DM's is in April.

[Azimuth]

yes. DM's is in April.

Fairchild's is in June.

[contraildash]

So nosed around at work, airshows are back on. We have a few requests for our aircraft from other AF bases. Saw the F-22 demo team is doing shows, anyone know if the other demo teams are back up and running?

[Bobby]

So nosed around at work, airshows are back on. We have a few requests for our aircraft from other AF bases. Saw the F-22 demo team is doing shows, anyone know if the other demo teams are back up and running?

Negative on the other demo teams. The only remaining demo teams are F-22 and T-Chickens.

[Mike Honcho]

So nosed around at work, airshows are back on. We have a few requests for our aircraft from other AF bases. Saw the F-22 demo team is doing shows, anyone know if the other demo teams are back up and running?

Do you have a source? Pm me if required for a .mil address.

[Breckey]

We got a memo outlining that you can only perform static displays at your own bases open house. Anything that requires travel requires some ridiculous level of approval. We can't fly two hours to an airshow in Kalispell, MT that would feature the T-Birds.

[matmacwc]

We have a static at DM air show and it's across town?!..

[brabus]

Negative on the other demo teams. The only remaining demo teams are F-22 and T-Chickens.

PACAF Viper demo still exists.

[Bobby]

PACAF Viper demo still exists.

Yup, should have clarified my earlier comment as the only ACC teams remaining.

[HuggyU2]

Do you have a source? Pm me if required for a .mil address.

MEMORANDUM FOR ADDRESSEES

FROM: ACC/A3

205 Dodd Blvd, Ste 101

Joint Base Langley-Eustis, VA 23665-2789

SUBJECT: ACC/A3 FY14 Aerial Event Guidance

1. This guidance is provided to consolidate and expand upon the FY14 Aerial

Event references within the attached CSAF FY14 Spending Control Guidance

Memorandum; and the issued and attached OSD/PA FY14 USAF Outreach Criteria.

This guidance supersedes all previous ACC Aerial Event guidance, and is to

remain in effect until further notice. Complete NAF coordination prior to

meeting all referenced suspense timelines that follow.

2. Orientation Flight Program guidance in reference to the CSAF FY14

Spending Control Guidance:

a. Familiarization Orientation Flights which incur no additional cost

to the Air Force, and do not impact training, may be accomplished IAW AFI

11-401, Aviation Management. Follow AFI 11-401 ACC SUP 1 Table 1.1

delegated approval levels for Familiarization Orientation Flights.

b. DV, Incentive, and Spouse Orientation Flights may NOT be delegated

below the MAJCOM/CV. Therefore, submit these requests to ACC/A3 no later

than 20 DUTY DAYS prior to the flight for those flights which require an

ACC/CV approval; and 30 DUTY DAYS prior to the flight for those flights

which will require a HAF level or higher approval. Include within the

request a full justification identifying the direct benefit to the Air

Force, while also addressing all additional costs that will be incurred; and

any associated impacts on training that are expected.

c. Following further coordination with AF/A3O, the ACC Spouse

Taxi-Ride Program will revert back to following AFI 11-401 ACC SUP 1

procedures, allowing for WG/CC approvals, delegated to no lower than the

OG/CC. If it is determined that your program will include additional costs

to the Air Force, and/or will have an impact on training, then an ACC/CV

approval will be required.

3. Additional guidance in reference to the OSD/PA FY14 USAF Outreach

Criteria:

a. Public Affairs Media Flights may be accomplished IAW AFI 35-103,

Public Affairs Travel. Follow the Delegation of COMACC Authority letter for

Media Flight OPERATIONAL approvals ONLY. Follow PA channels for the also

required Media Flight PARTICIPATION approvals IAW AFI 35-103. Submit

requests that require ACC/CV approval no later than 20 DUTY DAYS prior to

the event. Ensure to fully justify, in coordination with PA as delegated,

that the direct benefit to the Air Force outweighs all additional costs that

will be incurred; and any associated impacts on training that are to be

expected.

b. Public Affairs Non-Media (Civic Leader) Flights now require SAF/PA

participation approval, and will be considered on a case by case basis.

Follow PA channels for SAF/PA consideration.

c. Funeral Flyovers may be accomplished IAW AFI 11-209, Aerial Event

Policy and Procedures. Submit these requests for ACC/A3 approval no later

than 7 DUTY DAYS prior to the funeral, subject to notification. IAW AFI

11-209, funeral flyovers are to be accomplished as an adjunct to a normal

training sortie.

d. Static Displays are authorized when in support of a SAF/PA Approved

USAF Open House, and now require MAJCOM approval. Therefore, Units are now

to volunteer on the SAF/PA Website, and then submit a Static Display request

for ACC/A3 approval no later than 7 DUTY DAYS prior to the event. Include

within the request a complete cross country itinerary; the planned training

objectives to be accomplished; and a justification if any additional costs,

and/or impacts on training will be realized.

e. Aerial Demonstrations and Flyovers are authorized for those Wings

hosting an Open House, subject to utilizing organic Wing assets only. Units

will now volunteer on the SAF/PA website to support their own Open House,

and then submit a request for ACC/A3 approval no later than 10 DUTY DAYS

prior to the event.

4. OSD/PA and AF/CV remain the Exception to Policy (ETP) waiver authorities

for all other Aerial Event requests. Such ETP requests are to be forwarded

to ACC/A3 for consideration no later than 30 DUTY DAYS prior to the event.

Include a full justification which identifies the direct benefit to the Air

Force, while also addressing all additional costs, and associated impacts on

training that may occur.

Edited February 26, 2014 by Huggyu2

[Mike Honcho]

Thanking you, Huggy

[Striper_WSO]

Czech aircraft did the flyby at the Indy 500 today? WTF.

https://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?185675-2014-Indy-500-Flyover-Black-Diamond-Jet-Team

[HuggyU2]

Czech aircraft did the flyby at the Indy 500 today?

What I see is military hardware manufactured in the land of our former Soviet enemy, flown by those that defeated them.

They tried to be the 10' giant back in the days of the Cold War.

But they failed.

We won.

And these are the trophies of our victory.

Edited May 26, 2014 by Huggyu2

[Striper_WSO]

What I see is military hardware manufactured in the land of our former Soviet enemy, flown by those that defeated them.

The tried to be the 10' giant back in the days of the Cold War.

But they failed.

We won.

And these are the trophies of our victory.

I see your point. My complaint is more with the USAF restricting flybys at these types of events. What better showcase then the Indy 500? It seems to me that the USAF restricted flybys to thumb its nose at Congress during sequester. Restricting these does not save money and seems to be more about the optics. Caveat: I've been a civilian for two years, so what do I know.

[discus]

Was at the race today. Although I was very surprised to see those jets do the flyby, I must say that it was the most professional and impressive one I have seen in a long time. Not because of our lack of ability In The Armed Forces, but because of our restrictions we impose on ourselves. The initial was up the main straightaway, followed by a formation turn to bisect the main grandstand which the Air Force would never have stood for.

Edited May 26, 2014 by discus

[MKopack]

Many, many military flying hours in that formation with the Black Diamond Jet Team over Indy.

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[Day Man]

Long shot, but anyone in AZ (Luke, AZANG, DM, ) interested in supporting a funeral service via a min-alt VFR leg in PHX on 12 Jan? I checked the PA website and it doesn't look like this is one of the officially supported events. Ret CMSgt, Air Traffic Controller who worked the Berlin Airlift and combat ops from Thailand...generous donations to your sq bar are in order.

[matmacwc]

Ask the Pentagon, sorry thats all I know, but if you can find the correct office, I've seen it work.

(Only been on the tasking end)

Edited December 19, 2017 by matmacwc

[HuggyU2]

9 hours ago, Day Man said:

Long shot, but anyone in AZ (Luke, AZANG, DM, ) interested in supporting a funeral service via a min-alt VFR leg in PHX on 12 Jan? I checked the PA website and it doesn't look like this is one of the officially supported events. Ret CMSgt, Air Traffic Controller who worked the Berlin Airlift and combat ops from Thailand...generous donations to your sq bar are in order.

Day Man,

You might be better off to call ACC Aerial Events, DSN 575.9274.  They handle funeral flyovers, and can tell you the likelihood of it becoming a supported event. 

Finding someone to do a non-approved flyover in this day and age is simply not going to happen.  They will lose their wings if they do it.  And... yes, I know... it would be "legal".  

Your other option is to get the CAF folks at Mesa to get some original T-6's.  Or the guy with the Spitfire.  There are also some L-39 guys in Phoenix that might do it.  Tons of warbirds in AZ.  

Edited December 19, 2017 by HuggyU2

[Day Man]

11 minutes ago, matmacwc said:

Ask the Pentagon, sorry thats all I know, but if you can find the correct office, I've seen it work.

(Only been on the tasking end)

Thanks man. This is the website I found...are they the ones to contact?

[Day Man]

12 hours ago, HuggyU2 said:

Day Man,

You might be better off to call ACC Aerial Events, DSN 575.9274.  He handles funeral flyovers, and can tell you the likelihood of it becoming a supported event. 

Finding someone to do a non-approved flyover in this day and age is simply not going to happen.  They will lose their wings if they do it.  And... yes, I know... it would be "legal".  

Your other option is to get the CAF folks at Mesa to get some original T-6's.  Or the guy with the Spitfire.  There are also some L-39 guys in Phoenix that might do it.  Tons of warbirds in AZ.  

Huggy,

Thanks for the POC, I'll call him tomorrow (and do some research into those other options).

Edited December 19, 2017 by Day Man

[DEVIL]

20 hours ago, Day Man said:

Huggy,

Thanks for the POC, I'll call him tomorrow (and do some research into those other options).

Standby for PM.

[magnetfreezer]

22 hours ago, HuggyU2 said:

Finding someone to do a non-approved flyover in this day and age is simply not going to happen.  They will lose their wings if they do it.  And... yes, I know... it would be "legal".  

 

Yep... had a local MOA 100% cleared down to 500A/0.99M with low level ops happening daily. Normal noise complaints from Billy Bob's trailer park, etc for low levels. Patriotic small town folks call the airspace manager and ask if they can have a low pass for some funeral/rally/other patriotic event since they know they're in the MOA. OSS stops it from getting pushed up since a low flyover over a MOA town that someone complains about becomes an NSA with a CC: to the crew about the noise complaint, but a low flyover over a MOA town that they've asked for becomes an "unapproved aerial demo" since it was prearranged and results in Huggy's scenario.