General Chang Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Actually, there is an O-6 SDE select list. It's usually only about a dozen or so per board, and typically given to Lt Col's who make Col BPZ, and have not had a chance to complete JPME II in residence i.e. O-5's who weren't previously selected for SDE. I know two from this past board. There's a site called MyPers...check it out on a web site called the "Air Force Portal". Then go to promotion information. Cheers. Umm, incorrect. Once an officer is selected for Colonel, even if a previous SDE-select, there is no guarantee of school. The individual no longer meets the DEDB- they meet a special school panel in DPO with no guarantee of school. DPO will try to get O-6 BPZers to school as well, even if not previously SDE-select, but not required and no guarantees. You pilot idiots want to argue with someone deep in the personnel world about a personnel issue? Stick to airplanes, flyboys. You're not as briliiant as you think you are.Every rated AFSC has a career progression pyramid. Does it matter to a board or anyone for that matter that you have done well (strats) by hitting the different jobs on that pyramid? Or does it look better to go from tactics to Chief of tactics for example. I am just curious. For O-5 and above, strats first, followed by breadth (depth is assumed unless indicated otherwise).
herkbum Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 I think it is about time for you to walk away. It appears you are only here to stir the pot and your assistance is no longer needed. 1
Waco Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 You pilot idiots want to argue with someone deep in the personnel world about a personnel issue? Stick to airplanes, flyboys. You're not as briliiant as you think you are. Wow. I'm guessing you know a lot of folks who failed out of personnel school and went to UPT? 10
Azimuth Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 You pilot idiots want to argue with someone deep in the personnel world about a personnel issue? Stick to airplanes, flyboys. You're not as briliiant as you think. A pilot runs AFPC. 1
General Chang Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 A pilot runs AFPC. And his boss, the AF/A1, is a ___________________. You're smart, I'll let you fill-in-the-blank, Azimuth.
dmeg130 Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Search "Finance Guy" for a primer in useful contribution to the dialog. It is baseops.net after all, not MPF.net. 4
Azimuth Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) And his boss, the AF/A1, is a ___________________. You're smart, I'll let you fill-in-the-blank, Azimuth. And his boss is a _________. Game, blouses. Edited July 21, 2013 by Azimuth 4
Champ Kind Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 You pilot idiots want to argue with someone deep in the personnel world about a personnel issue? Stick to airplanes, flyboys. You're not as briliiant as you think you are. You think that is supposed to impress us? Combat mission count.... go. Don't forget, nerd: this is the AIR Force. Without us, you'd be in the lower rungs of human resources at Blockbuster Video or something. Eff off. 2
busdriver Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Dear Gen Chang, you have an opportunity hear to teach us knuckle dragging retards about your world. Don't waste that opportunity with chest beating, you'll lose and your point will be lost. Finance Guy is a moderator on a board full of said idiot pilots, why do you think that is? Please, don't leave, adjust your attitude and actually take this opportunity to teach. It's pretty fucking clear we don't understand A1 at all, so help us out brother, fill in those blanks as best you can. 2
GoAround Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Umm, incorrect. Once an officer is selected for Colonel, even if a previous SDE-select, there is no guarantee of school. The individual no longer meets the DEDB- they meet a special school panel in DPO with no guarantee of school. DPO will try to get O-6 BPZers to school as well, even if not previously SDE-select, but not required and no guarantees. You're right, it's not a guarantee, but I wasn't talking about those who were previously selected for SDE. The O-6 promotion board does in fact announce SDE selects for a small number who were not previously selected. Like I said, check the official release msg from this past year on MyPers--you can click on the link from a site called the "Air Force Portal" (.mil domain). For instance, one of my friends was recently selected for Colonel BPZ. Since he was not selected BPZ to O-5 or selected for SDE during his IPZ look, he was designated for school on the most recent O-6 list. He just finished up his Sq/CC tour and is heading to NWC. Just trying to clear things up...I hope this helps. Cheers.
Herkdrvr Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 ...your BPZ folks are by far your top tier people. Sometimes true. Sometimes not.
TarHeelPilot Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Dear Gen Chang, you have an opportunity hear to teach us knuckle dragging retards about your world. Don't waste that opportunity with chest beating, you'll lose and your point will be lost. Finance Guy is a moderator on a board full of said idiot pilots, why do you think that is? Please, don't leave, adjust your attitude and actually take this opportunity to teach. It's pretty ######ing clear we don't understand A1 at all, so help us out brother, fill in those blanks as best you can. On second thought, please do.
Ram Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 And his boss, the AF/A1, is a ___________________. You're smart, I'll let you fill-in-the-blank, Azimuth. His boss is this guy: https://www.af.mil/information/bios/bio.asp?bioID=8281 The same geek that signed the latest 36-2903, which took away our Friday t-shirts/patches. He sure knows a lot about how to retain fighter pilots, eh? 1
10percenttruth Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 His boss is this guy: https://www.af.mil/information/bios/bio.asp?bioID=8281 The same geek that signed the latest 36-2903, which took away our Friday t-shirts/patches. He sure knows a lot about how to retain fighter pilots, eh? Gawd, I'll never bitch about PCSing again. That dude moved like 14+ times to ~10 different bases. Granted, they were places like Stuttgart, Hickam & MacDill, but still, that's a shitload of moves. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2
Herk Driver Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Umm, incorrect. Once an officer is selected for Colonel, even if a previous SDE-select, there is no guarantee of school. The individual no longer meets the DEDB- they meet a special school panel in DPO with no guarantee of school. DPO will try to get O-6 BPZers to school as well, even if not previously SDE-select, but not required and no guarantees. You pilot idiots want to argue with someone deep in the personnel world about a personnel issue? Stick to airplanes, flyboys. You're not as briliiant as you think you are. So, riddle me this since you are obviously not an idiot and far more enlightened than us lowly pilot types, why is there a DE designation on the O-6 list when it is released? Note, I did not say SDE select but there is an DE designator.
General Chang Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 So, riddle me this since you are obviously not an idiot and far more enlightened than us lowly pilot types, why is there a DE designation on the O-6 list when it is released? Note, I did not say SDE select but there is an DE designator. DE designator means nothing. The system automatically places it there by virtue of BPZ. Once you make Col-select, whether a prior SDE-select or never-SDE-select, it means nothing. If the Colonel's Group wants to send you (and they usually do), then you go. If they need you to work and skip SDE, depending on the career field, you do that. In other words, you are at the mercy of DPO. You don't even get to fill out an ADP anymore, because they don't even look at it. As a Colonel, you are completely "needs of the AF." The funny thing is, some guys drive hard their entire careers to be Colonels. Then, when they make it, they complain about the 365, followed by assignment to crapville, and complain that they've lost all control of their careers. And they are correct; as a Colonel, you lose virtually all control over or input into your career. Except, of course, the day you retire (but even on that issue, there's only two windows during the year in which a Colonel can control his retirement date).
sputnik Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 , there's only two windows during the year in which a Colonel can control his [or HER] retirement date). FIFY Sexist pig.
General Chang Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 FIFY Sexist pig. Nice. Elevating the conversation.
matmacwc Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) DE designator means nothing. The system automatically places it there by virtue of BPZ. Once you make Col-select, whether a prior SDE-select or never-SDE-select, it means nothing. If the Colonel's Group wants to send you (and they usually do), then you go. If they need you to work and skip SDE, depending on the career field, you do that. In other words, you are at the mercy of DPO. You don't even get to fill out an ADP anymore, because they don't even look at it. As a Colonel, you are completely "needs of the AF." The funny thing is, some guys drive hard their entire careers to be Colonels. Then, when they make it, they complain about the 365, followed by assignment to crapville, and complain that they've lost all control of their careers. And they are correct; as a Colonel, you lose virtually all control over or input into your career. Except, of course, the day you retire (but even on that issue, there's only two windows during the year in which a Colonel can control his retirement date). This dude has been correct in almost everything he has said, mostly the party line, but what do you expect?? Ask him about VSP, RIF, AF future; you guys are bogged down. I know most of us are pilots and he may be not, but not all AF leaders are pilots (sucks). Lets get this forum back to the real AF and less bitching, continue some bitching, but ask about real issues, AND OFFER FIXES! Maybe that is a new forum. I'm just a ANG fighter pilot Major, but lobbing grenades at a senior dude that might listen is crap, if you complain, recommend a fix! Edited July 22, 2013 by matmacwc 2
Recut Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 This dude has been correct in almost everything he has said, mostly the party line, but what do you expect?? Ask him about VSP, RIF, AF future; you guys are bogged down. I know most of us are pilots and he may be not, but not all AF leaders are pilots (sucks). Lets get this forum back to the real AF and less bitching, continue some bitching, but ask about real issues, AND OFFER FIXES! Maybe that is a new forum. I'm just a ANG fighter pilot Major, but lobbing grenades at a senior dude that might listen is crap, if you complain, recommend a fix! I could listen to someone like Chang at a CC call or probably on some forum on the portal. No thanks.
Recut Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 You pilot idiots want to argue with someone deep in the personnel world about a personnel issue? Stick to airplanes, flyboys. You're not as briliiant as you think you are. This idiot pilot wishes you wouldn't talk. Something is deep inside of you deep inside the personnel world. You think that is supposed to impress us? Combat mission count.... go. Don't forget, nerd: this is the AIR Force. Without us, you'd be in the lower rungs of human resources at Blockbuster Video or something. Eff off. "2"
herkbum Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 I'm just a ANG fighter pilot Major, but lobbing grenades at a senior dude that might listen is crap, if you complain, recommend a fix! Most of those grenades have been return fire. To get respect, you have to give respect.
C-21.Pilot Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 The funny thing is, some guys drive hard their entire careers to be Colonels. Then, when they make it, they complain about the 365, followed by assignment to crapville, and complain that they've lost all control of their careers. And they are correct; as a Colonel, you lose virtually all control over or input into your career. Except, of course, the day you retire (but even on that issue, there's only two windows during the year in which a Colonel can control his retirement date). 1. It's not funny, it's sad. 2. The "some" guys, for the most part, are guys I would never follow or respect in battle. 3. I would complain about a 365 to. I personally feel that if you patrol this "unspoken" notion about being dicked over as a Col, how many 11F's would you suspect stay in the rack and stack game. Eh, what do I know. I'm not A1.
GearMonkey Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 This dude has been correct in almost everything he has said, mostly the party line, but what do you expect?? Didn't he say a million pages ago that FY2014 force shaping was going to be a bloodbath? Based on the memo a few days ago it doesn't look much different than every other year (no Palace Chase for you, NEXT!).
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