Square Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 Lots of people get it. They're just Captains. There isn't a single person, anywhere in the Air Force at all, over the rank of O-4 who could be described as having "grown up" in the age of the personal computer, and you don't get a solid group of them until you go down to O-3. The ages and year groups just don't work out. That isn't to say there aren't some tech-savvy early adopters O-5 or above, but in my experience, not many. Senior leadership might recognize the importance of this whole internet thing, and, to their credit, work hard to figure it out, but that doesn't mean they get it just yet. We'll get there, but we're still a decade and a half out from having the first O-7 born post-1980. You'd think some defense contractor would see this opportunity and jump on creating a system like you'd describe, a la DTS.
Lord Ratner Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 You'd think some defense contractor would see this opportunity and jump on creating a system like you'd describe, a la DTS. I hope not. DTS is one of our less talked about financial catastrophes in the world of acquisitions.
disgruntledemployee Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 Enough with the SOS talk! Jesus. But when I was at SOS, we jacked the Apollo 13 award. I mean we were so badass that when we walked up to each challenge, it was like we were in slow motion and shit, and we had a dude that would play this kickass theme music. You shoulda seen it, man. The whole audience was in mouth-breathing awe of of our captainy awesomeness. We'd throw out one-liners, use hand signals, and even made up secret handshakes. We were the top guns of SOS. Our mock PRF boards were so excellent that they snuck in a whole set of actual board records--we killed it. And the wargame, we fist-pumped all night long after defeating the enemy in record time. They didn't stand a chance. We celebrated by getting some fabulous tats. Man, those were the best days of my life and we really showed the AF that we were the most awesome leaders, ever! Thanks SOS! 1
Recut Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 Comprehension is the key to learning! So you should just lie to a ratee? Honest feedback versus a straight up liar. If you choose to be dishonest with your people I hope the same thing happens to you. Not everyone from our base goes to SOS in residence. My previous CC never guaranteed anyone a slot to SOS. I remember him saying he never went in residence and he said the names of a few SQ/CC's on the base who hadn't either. You must have not read the post from Liquid about referral OPRs either. No, I'm not the expert on PRFs. But I'm trying to be so I can ensure people are well taken care of in that regard. OK. Quick lesson and this is over because no one wants to see this crap on this board. -SOS is not some elite program you attended, get over it -It is not that difficult to get "selected" to go there -Just about everyone on BODN (except SNAPS obviously) has been there and done that -If you want to be a great leader that you seem to want to portray, you should find a way to motivate people that don't have SOS in their future to make it. A real leader will find a way to inspire someone to achieve things. Real leaders don't sit and judge people, especially against one's self -- certainly not using SOS as criteria........SOS? YGBFSM! -You are inspired from some dude named Liquid on this board. Maybe he/she is for real, maybe not....but if that's where you are drawing your inspiration from then I don't even know what to say When I said you are what's wrong with the AF, here's what I am thinking: It seems you think that leadership is about "mentoring" people to be like you -- someone who really thinks that SOS is the end all be all (as an example). Since you went you are the shit and no one can measure up to you. Get over it, I don't care what your commanders say, almost everyone goes to SOS. You aren't special and you need to drink a cup of STFU and listen. OUT. To other posters: You are right, enuf on SOS. Next beer's on me. 1
PSYCH Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 I gotta ask, because I know two slicks in the fighter world... Are you a fighter pilot? And more importantly, what's your rank? It would really help your street cred if you could provide some details to your thin Internet veil. You could just post your SURF for all I care. I honestly hope that you aren't so proud of yourself that you believe even half of the garbage you're spewing on here. Are people really so narcissistic to discuss their achievements in leadership? You sound like a WSO that snuck into the flight commanders office.
Danny Noonin Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) Can we receive more information on the PRF process? What questions do you have? About 10 pages back there was a discussion on "honest feedback" on OPRs. You insinuate it's okay to lie to an individual and you probably lie on OPRs as well. Which would make you the problem regarding raters who don't annotate the truth in an OPR. Careful. OPRs are not feedback to your people. Feedback forms and discussions are for that. OPRs are written for an outside audience (boards,etc) and are not written to be read literally. They are written in code. If you want to convey that someone is an "average officer" and literally use those words, the message you actually sent was that he is a dirtbag. So be careful when you say "lie on an OPR". You should strive to send an honest message. That does not mean you write literal truth on the form. Edited September 3, 2013 by Danny Noonin
matmacwc Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 Lots of people get it. They're just Captains. There isn't a single person, anywhere in the Air Force at all, over the rank of O-4 who could be described as having "grown up" in the age of the personal computer, and you don't get a solid group of them until you go down to O-3. The ages and year groups just don't work out. That isn't to say there aren't some tech-savvy early adopters O-5 or above, but in my experience, not many. Senior leadership might recognize the importance of this whole internet thing, and, to their credit, work hard to figure it out, but that doesn't mean they get it just yet. . And you would be incorrect....completely. I am solidly in the O-4 group you think you know, and our family got our first PC when I was 5 (Apple IIGS I think) and had them in our house until college. Internet you say? We were dialing up BBS at 9 years old and dowloading sketchy movies at 1200 BAUD. So what exactly was your point?
drewpey Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 And you would be incorrect....completely. I am solidly in the O-4 group you think you know, and our family got our first PC when I was 5 (Apple IIGS I think) and had them in our house until college. Internet you say? We were dialing up BBS at 9 years old and dowloading sketchy movies at 1200 BAUD. So what exactly was your point? He said "above the rank of O-4"... His point was that technology has a multitude of ways to streamline our daily processes and make desk work generally tolerable but because the old people in charge don't trust what they don't understand and are too lazy to learn, we will be forced to do additional work until guys like you get in charge.
17D_guy Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 He said "above the rank of O-4"... His point was that technology has a multitude of ways to streamline our daily processes and make desk work generally tolerable but because the old people in charge don't trust what they don't understand and are too lazy to learn, we will be forced to do additional work until guys like you get in charge. Well, they trust it. They just make the e-form have the same look and functionality of the paper form. To include the e-Routing Slips.
backseatdriver Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 During the last DT, each board received one candidate nominee. The rest of the seats went to selects. HAF plans to keep the number of candidates that go to school very low to take care of the selects in a fiscally constrained DE world. Liquid - Any word on whether HAF is going to let candidates go off the alternate list? I know the SOF DT only had enough selects nominated to fill the primary seats - hence all the alternates are candidates. So when inevitably spots open up, is HAF/AFPC going to allow more than one candidate to go if they're pulled off the alternate list or will those slots go to another DT that has selects on the alternate list?
Fifty-six & Two Posted September 3, 2013 Posted September 3, 2013 Liquid - Any word on whether HAF is going to let candidates go off the alternate list? I know the SOF DT only had enough selects nominated to fill the primary seats - hence all the alternates are candidates. So when inevitably spots open up, is HAF/AFPC going to allow more than one candidate to go if they're pulled off the alternate list or will those slots go to another DT that has selects on the alternate list? I'm no Liquid, but I was told that alternate candidates will only fill in for candidates that are on the list.
Liquid Posted September 4, 2013 Posted September 4, 2013 Liquid - Any word on whether HAF is going to let candidates go off the alternate list? I know the SOF DT only had enough selects nominated to fill the primary seats - hence all the alternates are candidates. So when inevitably spots open up, is HAF/AFPC going to allow more than one candidate to go if they're pulled off the alternate list or will those slots go to another DT that has selects on the alternate list? Not sure, haven't seen any policy yet. Last year they only allowed our selects to fill alternate spots. At our DT we created a select only alternate list and a candidate alternate list to cover both options. There may be a few more alternate spots available next year (summer '14) because of the requirement to only nominate selects, regardless of smart timing. Even if a candidate had better timing and was more deserving, we had to nominate selects and only one candidate. HAF trying to get ahead of the bow wave of too many selects and not enough seats. 1
Liquid Posted September 4, 2013 Posted September 4, 2013 I would like to know how a package accumulates points during a board. Do you get a point for DG..annual award..half a point for each strat.. or AAD...Flt/CC..etc? What Noonin said. It is up to each board member to score each record however they think it should be scored. Common technique is to start at 8.0 (average) and add or subtract based on what is in or not in the record. Remarkably little guidance is given about how to score, but there are not as many splits (disagreements in score of more than 1.5 points on a 6-10 scale between two or more members) as you would think. Boards tend to value depth, breadth, leadership, stratification, distinction (awards) and deployments. That usually means they add point or half point for or take away points from what they see as the norm. Top half is easy (DPs). Top 15% cut line (school select, BPZ) and bottom 10-15% get tricky, meaning individual board member biases and preferences can make a big difference.
backseatdriver Posted September 4, 2013 Posted September 4, 2013 03ers - Numbers for Oct are finally posted - quota of 405. Looks like they're going to clear the list before Jan.
pcola Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 03ers - Numbers for Oct are finally posted - quota of 405. Looks like they're going to clear the list before Jan.
backseatdriver Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) Oct is 1100something-1500something Edited September 5, 2013 by backseatdriver
Ravens52 Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Per AMC A1, "The '05 Maj board should have an accounting date between Nov-Jan with a board date between April-May." They also stated: "ensure you are the best aircrew member you can be (instructor), however get your AAD done and don't screw off with PME... Changes to the AAD might be coming but don't expect them to trickle down for awhile." Nothing really new above, but to the young pups: fly your butt off, become a great instructor, and work on the rest of the stuff as it comes along to not be deemed a clown when it comes promotion time. Find a bro who can help you out that is a few years ahead of you to clear the air on all the bs. Luck, timing and who you know are huge as we all know, but without being a great aviator, taking care of your training/records, and doing the "extra" things leadership deems important that luck, timing and who you know won't happen sometimes... But remember its about building credibility in your community in the jet first then outside the jet SECOND. Cheers! 1
nrodgsxr Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 So the accounting date will be likely in this year?
addict Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 Accounting date: say that again? Next year, as in Nov 2014? Or next Fiscal Year just 3 months from now?
Rusty Pipes Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 Just heard the "deciding O-6" in our Agency tell us that he will be selecting those who attend SOS in residence for his upcoming board based on completion of SOS in correspondence (whatever, standard) and masters completion!!! Not for O-4 or O-5 promotion boards of even IDE... masters completion to go to effing SOS!!!!! For an O-5 board; sure... O-4 board; maybe... to go to SOS?!? Why are these incredible morons who now sit in what used to be leadership positions so hell bent on picking future Colonels and Generals when they are just LT's and young Capts?!? I give up...
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