Promotion and PRF Information

[ThreeHoler]

There's a way to look at your total hours and total combat hours in comparison to every aviator in the Air Force. Seen it myself...not sure if it's a tool on portal or what. Gotta ask the guy who showed me.

Good to hear that metrics related to, ya know, flying and combat are mattering more!

Serious question: how does this "more combat hours" bullet show the board that this O-4 is a better leader than the next?

[Chuck17]

Serious question: how does this "more combat hours" bullet show the board that this O-4 is a better leader than the next?

This one is straight from the top dudes, and it is a breath of fresh air in the form of direction that promotion boards WILL understand and weigh what it means if a dude has a gabazillion combat hours and deployments and zero community involvement / party-planning bullshit OPR bullets.

This is the parity that the mission hackers have been dreaming about for years. Hopefully it continues, because common sense breaking out is not all that common....

Chuck

Edited November 1, 2013 by Chuck17

[nsplayr]

Serious question: how does this "more combat hours" bullet show the board that this O-4 is a better leader than the next?

It's just another piece of the "whole person" pie, but it's an important piece. As Chuck said, it can help explain the timing of an AAD or a lack of "community involvement." The bigger picture to me though is it shows who's been on the front lines actually carrying out the mission of the USAF. Combat time, total flight time, combat support, whatever...all that should be important because aren't we supposed to be flying, fighting and winning?

Max time isn't everything or the most important thing in evaluating future leaders but it is what I would consider an important piece of an aviator's records that should be considered by the board at least as much as some of the other BS factors that we all bitch about.

Edited November 2, 2013 by nsplayr

[Skitzo]

It's just another piece of the "whole person" pie, but it's an important piece. As Chuck said, it can help explain the timing of an AAD or a lack of "community involvement." The bigger picture to me though is it shows who's been on the front lines actually carrying out the mission of the USAF..

This...

As it was explained to me when my senior rater handed out PRFs it was a way to communicate exactly this.

Edited November 2, 2013 by Skitzo

[Robo]

Maybe this works well when comparing similar airframes or across ACC but my combat hours as a herk pilot doing 16 hour days for a 3.5 bouncing around Afghanistan it doesn't illustrate the difference between my experience to -135s or -17s pulling combat time for their couple hour layover.

[tac airlifter]

Maybe this works well when comparing similar airframes or across ACC but my combat hours as a herk pilot doing 16 hour days for a 3.5 bouncing around Afghanistan it doesn't illustrate the difference between my experience to -135s or -17s pulling combat time for their couple hour layover.

You sound like a crybaby. This is a good change, and I'm glad the AF is at least acknowledging the importance of mission accomplishment when evaluating that whole person thing.

[Breckey]

The only issue i see with that is some airframes that don't deploy (ie UH-1). If they do it may be a piecemeal selection of aircrew who do the Mi-17 gig, especially now with only a couple of pilot opportunities per year. We have pilots who are scrounging for MC-12 gig's but MAJCOM won't let them go.

[Liquid]

The only issue i see with that is some airframes that don't deploy (ie UH-1). If they do it may be a piecemeal selection of aircrew who do the Mi-17 gig, especially now with only a couple of pilot opportunities per year. We have pilots who are scrounging for MC-12 gig's but MAJCOM won't let them go.

This exact argument was used to mask deployment dates from the Officer Selection Brief. Non-deployers thought the advantage given to deployers was unfair, so we took the information off the brief. You can get the AF wide combat flight hours from the HARM office. I agree with Chuck, including this factual data is a good thing.

[zach braff]

The '03 maj select list is projecting about 13 months to clear through. At that rate the '04 guys will be exhausted before the '05 results are released (if '05's board is in December with results in March).

If I'm lucky enough to get picked up, considering a January date of rank I should have a couple weeks to finish ACSC and check the "ACSC complete before maj pin on" box. ;-)

Not complaining - just interesting how quick the pendulum will swing from guys (and gals, and transgenders) waiting 18-24 months to pin on to what may be only 1-2 months for some of the early line numbers.

zb

[backseatdriver]

....just interesting how quick the pendulum will swing from guys (and gals, and transgenders) waiting 18-24 months to pin on to what may be only 1-2 months for some of the early line numbers.

zb

This is exactly the reason they delayed the 05 board.

[zach braff]

I am aware - just surprised how much they closed the gap.

[BamaC-21]

For those in the 2005 year group, the milestones for the 2014 LAF Majors Board are now posted on myPers:

https://gum-crm.csd.disa.mil/app/categories/p/8,9/c/656

shows a board date of 1 December 2014

I just saw this today, too. Is that confirmed to be the Maj board for '05 guys? I guess the good news is a shorter wait to pin on. Bad news for those of us who are already hot for a 365.

[Skitzo]

So is the 2006 year group also having their board delayed by a year? Or is it meeting the same time as the 2005 year group? I'm in the 04 year group so just asking to know.

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[Chicken]

This...

As it was explained to me when my senior rater handed out PRFs it was a way to communicate exactly this.

I have the link for combat hours as of Aug 2013.. any issues posting it here?

[eb287]

So is the 2006 year group also having their board delayed by a year? Or is it meeting the same time as the 2005 year group? I'm in the 04 year group so just asking to know.

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As of now, the December 2014 Majors board is only 2005 year group (reference: CY14 Officer Promotion Board Eligibility Spreadsheet). The 2006 and all subsequent year groups will probably be pushed a year as well; so the standard for the LAF-Majors board will now be YG+9 years versus the previous YG+8 years.

Edited November 4, 2013 by eb287

[Dupe]

I just saw this today, too. Is that confirmed to be the Maj board for '05 guys? I guess the good news is a shorter wait to pin on. Bad news for those of us who are already hot for a 365.

What makes you believe that the officer promotion section of AFPC coordinates with the AEF-tasking section?

[BamaC-21]

Sorry I wasn't clear. The 365 taskings I'm concerned with are tasked by rank and crew qual. Get promoted....get off the list.

[Champ Kind]

Anyone in the know heard if the increments for '04 year group promotions to Maj will be as slow as the previous year group?

[zach braff]

Sorry I wasn't clear. The 365 taskings I'm concerned with are tasked by rank and crew qual. Get promoted....get off the list.

The board delay should only delay the actual pin-on by a few months. If the board were held next month as originally planned, guys would get results in late March, then wait until probably Feb-Mar 2015 to start pin ons (for the early line numbers). Now the board will be in December 14, with results in late March 15 but pin ons probably starting in April-May 2015. End result will hopefully be only a 2-3 month delay in pin on.

However, to your point - if your AFPC team assigns you based on your projected rank that is almost an extra year of not being a projected major.

zb

[pcola]

Anyone in the know heard if the increments for '04 year group promotions to Maj will be as slow as the previous year group?

I would think that to be a pretty safe assumption, considering they slipped the 05 board by a full year. I would plan on around 100ish/month beginning 1Jan.

However, I am by no means "in the know" so your guess is as good as mine!

[BONE WSO]

I talked to a civilian in the AFPC promotions office a few months ago and she said the increment list would come out in November. She also told me the list was going to go from Jan 2014 til summer 2015.

[Champ Kind]

She also told me the list was going to go from Jan 2014 til summer 2015.

Yep... Less than 150/month.

[albertschu]

The board delay should only delay the actual pin-on by a few months. If the board were held next month as originally planned, guys would get results in late March, then wait until probably Feb-Mar 2015 to start pin ons (for the early line numbers). Now the board will be in December 14, with results in late March 15 but pin ons probably starting in April-May 2015. End result will hopefully be only a 2-3 month delay in pin on.

However, to your point - if your AFPC team assigns you based on your projected rank that is almost an extra year of not being a projected major.

zb

Under DOPMA the number of FGOs is held to a tight tolerance. I doubt that they will stop promotions for 2-3 months.

[stract]

interesting article about Microsoft and their rating system...

https://money.cnn.com/2013/11/13/technology/enterprise/microsoft-stack-ranking/index.html?source=cnn_bin

[Fly]

https://www.economist.com/news/business/21589866-firms-keep-grading-their-staff-ruthlessly-may-not-get-best-them-ranked-and-yanked

This sounds familiar: "Ranking and yanking is more logical in investment banks, law and accountancy firms and big consultancies: their business model is, in a sense, built on recruiting large numbers of junior staff and motivating them with the prospect of becoming a partner, even though in practice only a few of them can ever make it."

And even more familiar: "If a large proportion of the workforce doubt the fairness of the grading system, and fear being among an arbitrarily imposed quota of underperformers, many may try to jump before they are pushed: staff turnover may thus be higher than is desirable. Worse, employees may look for ways to game the system, as happened at Enron, where workers conspired to inflate their results to secure their bonuses or escape the axe."

Edited November 17, 2013 by Fly