Promotion and PRF Information

[WheelzUp]

What really needs to be masked is commissioning source. But we will have squadrons that fly pigs before that happens.

Huh? Really?

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[SurelySerious]

What really needs to be masked is commissioning source. But we will have squadrons that fly pigs before that happens.

You think that really matters to anyone?

[Azimuth]

You think that really matters to anyone?

To some it does.

[ThreeHoler]

What really needs to be masked is commissioning source. But we will have squadrons that fly pigs before that happens.

I'd have to look at an old OSB but I thought it was masked.

[SurelySerious]

To some it does.

Those people probably shouldn't be in charge of people anyway.

[chim richalds]

While we're at it, just close the zoo, it costs too much anyways and is always in trouble in the news. I'm serious, shut the bitch down.

[hispeed7721]

While we're at it, just close the zoo, it costs too much anyways and is always in trouble in the news. I'm serious, shut the bitch down.

Totally agree. And I'll take it one step further: the only commissioning source should be OTS, fastest and cheapest.

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Edited August 17, 2014 by hispeed7721

[HeloDude]

Totally agree. And I'll take it one step further: the only commissioning source should be OTS, fastest and cheapest.

I'm curious to find the cost difference between training an officer via ROTC vs OTS. The quick google search had old data, and usually assumes an ROTC cadet is on scholarship. I would argue that if all cadets were on non-scholarship, that ROTC might be not too far from the cost of OTS. Either way, being able to observe a cadet for 3-5 years before deciding whether or not to commission them, give them a pilot slot, etc is probably a better overall indicator of initial/future performance in the Air Force vs just the application process (where OTS applicants learn what job they will get) and the 12 week course of training/deciding whether or not to commission a cadet (this part might be as good as ROTC?). As for costs, the bigger Dets can train a cadet cheaper than the smaller Dets since the cadre and facilities are present in both, regardless of how many get commissioned. With the recent cuts, has anyone heard of smaller Dets being shut down? But I agree, the service academies are not a good value compared to the alternatives.

It's an interesting debate, and probably better on another thread (I'm sure this has been argued in another thread but I'm too lazy to check).

[Azimuth]

Those people probably shouldn't be in charge of people anyway.

Agreed, but some of them I know are current Wing Kings.

[Dupe]

I haven't seen commissioning source mean anything to anyone above the 2LT level.

[WheelzUp]

I haven't seen commissioning source mean anything to anyone above the 2LT level.

Spot on.

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[DEVIL]

"BLUF: To set clear expectations and restore Airman's time, the following changes are being implemented emphasizing job performance as the primary consideration when evaluating officers for promotion:

A. AADs will not be expected until promotion to colonel for line of the Air Force officers. All data pertaining to AADs will be removed from all promotion-related documents prior to colonel. The promotion-related documents affected are: The Officer Pre-selection Brief (OPB); the Officer Selection Brief (OSB); and the Duty Qualification History Brief (DQHB).

B. Method and timing of DE will be removed from all promotion-related documents (OPB, OSB, and DQHB). These documents will only highlight the level of DE, and the status will reflect that it has been "Completed," and for officers selected to attend DE in-residence, it will reflect "Select."

The first promotion board to implement the new policy will be the Major's (LAF) Central Selection Board scheduled for Dec. 1."

YAHTZEE!

[Craft Beer]

Until it is masked on your SURF, it can still be used as a discriminator by your SR.

[DEVIL]

Don't sneeze sh*t on my ice cream bro.

[Champ Kind]

He has a point. You've got your head in the sand if you think your SR isn't going to glance at the educational history portion of your SURF for helping break the tie between two otherwise identical records during DP/P allocation.

But hey, it's a start.

Edited August 20, 2014 by Champ Kind

[Craft Beer]

Sorry dude, cynical to say the least. I have seen the OSB for the next board, blank degree block and DE just says PDE complete. Unfortunately though as long as it is still accessible, it can still be used. The next board, the change is more symbolic then anything. The strats people received were influenced by the AAD. You can mask the degree but not the number in the OPR. Hopefully this change will help the '06 but more realistically the '07 and younger yr groups.

[akele]

Everyone knows about the strat lists that the wings have....has anyone seen AAD and PME in-res/corr w/date complete removed from those sheets? That will tell you if this new mentality is truly happening. I know the one at my unit still has that info on it.

[Dupe]

Sorry dude, cynical to say the least. I have seen the OSB for the next board, blank degree block and DE just says PDE complete. Unfortunately though as long as it is still accessible, it can still be used.

Are you suggesting that the promotion board should not see that an officer has accomplished rank-appropriate PME?

[Craft Beer]

Not at all Dupe. I was just stating what I have seen for OSBs and that they are in line with the guidance now released (the OSBs dropped a wek or two ago). With the practice bleeding being cut, just saying complete is a great step forward. If someone doesn't complete rank appropriate PME, that should be highlighted to the promo board. The real discriminator from the SURF for SRs will be the AAD since you can't practice bleed anymore.

[Chicken]

"BLUF: To set clear expectations and restore Airman's time, the following changes are being implemented emphasizing job performance as the primary consideration when evaluating officers for promotion:

A. AADs will not be expected until promotion to colonel for line of the Air Force officers. All data pertaining to AADs will be removed from all promotion-related documents prior to colonel. The promotion-related documents affected are: The Officer Pre-selection Brief (OPB); the Officer Selection Brief (OSB); and the Duty Qualification History Brief (DQHB).

B. Method and timing of DE will be removed from all promotion-related documents (OPB, OSB, and DQHB). These documents will only highlight the level of DE, and the status will reflect that it has been "Completed," and for officers selected to attend DE in-residence, it will reflect "Select."

The first promotion board to implement the new policy will be the Major's (LAF) Central Selection Board scheduled for Dec. 1."

YAHTZEE!

Does the method/timing for DE apply to all?? Including IDE?

[abmwaldo]

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[BonedRiver]

So does anyone know any twice passed over dudes who turned down continuation? I heard TERA was offered to those eligible who weren't offered continuation this year. How about those declining continuation? Is this a viable option to back-door TERA when it seems like the other opportunities to find something else to do are drying up...

[Bobby]

I know of one person here who declined continuation and was offered TERA, so yes it is a possible "back door"...or at least it was. We will see if this continues.

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[discus]

Any '05 guys at Little Rock gotten their PRFs back yet?

[zach braff]

Not Little Rock but got mine back last week. The MLRs are all complete so they should all be done & signed. Senior Raters generally release them all at once and per instruction they're supposed to drop them about one month before the board - so if you don't have yours yet you'll probably have it by early next week at latest.