DirkDiggler Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 The AAD elephant is institutional and its going to take a while to change people's way of thinking. Example, I recently did a career day where OTS cadets get to talk to someone in their AFSCs for a while about what their job will be like. A cadet asked whether he should start a masters degree now before he got to pilot training since "he had some time" (was going to be casual for several months). My answer was no way, the CSAF said that's not important and if you're worrying about a masters going through UPT your're ing up. All 3 O-5s in the room told him it was a good idea to get it started and his thinking was good. Its gonna take awhile, I just hope that Welsh can position a successor that has similar ideas to his about whats important in the AF.
theat6bisasham Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 Dude, we have come completely 360* full circle on this issue.... I can still remember the day, as a 1Lt maybe 10 or 12 years ago when the OG said "If the air force wants you to get a masters, we will send you to AFIT/whatever"...that was awesome for my free time allocation decision matrix... 4 years later they sent a PDSM giving us i think 16-18 months headsup that they were unmasking degrees for the 2008 majors board... All i'm saying is, buyer beware on this whole BS....i'd put money on the whole thing going the same direction in the next 4 years.
Guest ThatGuy Posted November 7, 2014 Posted November 7, 2014 The AAD elephant is institutional and its going to take a while to change people's way of thinking. Example, I recently did a career day where OTS cadets get to talk to someone in their AFSCs for a while about what their job will be like. A cadet asked whether he should start a masters degree now before he got to pilot training since "he had some time" (was going to be casual for several months). My answer was no way, the CSAF said that's not important and if you're worrying about a masters going through UPT your're ######ing up. All 3 O-5s in the room told him it was a good idea to get it started and his thinking was good. Its gonna take awhile, I just hope that Welsh can position a successor that has similar ideas to his about whats important in the AF. Hmmmm, I think there has been rumblings on this forum the next CSAF might be a female and not a flyer. Different ideas on the horizon. I think the AF could use a bit of change.
Ram Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 Hmmmm, I think there has been rumblings on this forum the next CSAF might be a female and not a flyer. Different ideas on the horizon. I think the AF could use a bit of change. https://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/107934/general-janet-c-wolfenbarger.aspx ?????????
Majestik Møøse Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 ????????? I sure hope not. A warfighting organization needs a warfighter as a leader, not an administrator. That's what the SECAF position is for. 1
Dupe Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 https://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/107934/general-janet-c-wolfenbarger.aspx ????????? I don't see it.
17D_guy Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 This one? https://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/108119/general-lori-j-robinson.aspx
Wing Sweep Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 Our next CSAF should be the best warrior/leader we have; period, dot. That should be the only qualification. Wait! They need to be great actors too, so they can smile at congress when they really want to throat punch them!
Herkasaurus Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 https://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/107934/general-janet-c-wolfenbarger.aspx ????????? That's a dude who has done all his PME via correspondence. Except for his 2nd masters, which I suppose is the SDE equivalent since it was at the National Defense Univ in national resource strategy...specific to acquisitions methinks? Or it's a masters in recycling, I'll google it later when I give a shit. Granted his first masters at MIT in aerospace/aeronautical engineering is impressive, but what could he possibly bring to the table other than an 80's pompadour?
ThreeHoler Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 That's a dude who has done all his PME via correspondence. Except for his 2nd masters, which I suppose is the SDE equivalent since it was at the National Defense Univ in national resource strategy...specific to acquisitions methinks? Or it's a masters in recycling, I'll google it later when I give a shit. Granted his first masters at MIT in aerospace/aeronautical engineering is impressive, but what could he possibly bring to the table other than an 80's pompadour? *She
AA Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 Mark the tape: Gen Lori Robinson will be the next CSAF.
Champ Kind Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 Mark the tape: Gen Lori Robinson will be the next CSAF. We could definitely do worse... a lot worse.
Champ Kind Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 I heard it was gonna be McDew. Then God help us and starting working your exit plans yesterday.
disgruntledemployee Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 I heard it was gonna be McDew. If so, then retired Gen Handy should sit in the front row of that ceremony and give him the "I'm watching you" look. Handy is like McDew kryptonite. Out
Herkasaurus Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 *She Sorry, my sarcasm may have been applied too heavily....I realize the bio says it's a woman. However when you look at that "woman" it's quite difficult to tell.
Azimuth Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 McDew or Selva will be the next CSAF. We could definitely do worse... a lot worse. Yeah, put another Herk guy in charge. 1
MSCguy Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 I still think the PR value of the first female USAFA grad as CSAF is too good to pass up. Add that to the current SECAF and we're shattering the glass ceiling.
zach braff Posted November 9, 2014 Posted November 9, 2014 My guess: Robinson or Rand as next CSAF, with odds slightly in Robinson's favor. But what does this have to with promotions or PRFs…? New "next CSAF" thread perhaps?
GoAround Posted November 9, 2014 Posted November 9, 2014 My money is on Selva. God forbid if it's McDew. Pray that it's not McDew. The earth will implode if it's McDew.
Azimuth Posted November 9, 2014 Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) My guess: Robinson or Rand as next CSAF, with odds slightly in Robinson's favor. But what does this have to with promotions or PRFs…? New "next CSAF" thread perhaps? A non-pilot? Nope. Plus she's junior to all the other potentials. My money is on Selva. Edited November 9, 2014 by Azimuth
Ravens52 Posted November 9, 2014 Posted November 9, 2014 Does anyone have the timeline info from when the 2004 Maj board convened to when the results were posted and pin on began? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Longhorn15 Posted November 9, 2014 Posted November 9, 2014 Board: Dec 12, first pin on: Jan 14. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Jaded Posted November 9, 2014 Posted November 9, 2014 Last pin on: Not yet. That year group will be major selects for longer than they were second lieutenants.
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