Promotion and PRF Information

[nrodgsxr]

If this were results for SNCO, you couldn't make it to the AF Portal welcome screen without clicking past the splash page. Us lowly Colonel and Major selects can't even access the public release. Saying something isn't it?

portal is up but where da fuq is the list? not on mypers

[DC]

https://gum-crm.csd.disa.mil/app/answers/detail/a_id/4534/p/8,9/c/656

Not posted yet.

[Right Seat Driver]

My squad had a dude get picked up APZ with a P. Great dude and definitely deserving, but I didn't think that was even possible. Perhaps looking at the earliest ramifications of the VSP flood gates?

Know three guys like this. Two are still AD, one said "Thanks, but I'll go to the Reserves." There is always a chance. All three of them were good bros.

[Guest ThatGuy]

https://gum-crm.csd.disa.mil/app/answers/detail/a_id/4534/p/8,9/c/656

Not posted yet.

I see the link for the list but I keep getting an error when I download the file. Any luck?

[addict]

The link is to a myPers page listing recent select lists. The one you're looking for will be posted to MyPers on 11 Feb 15. Pdf

Line numbers will eventually get input into vMPF under Record Review --> Promotion Information. Perhaps the local units will get to see this information too.

Edited February 11, 2015 by addict

[Jaded]

What was the promotion rate to O-4?

[WheelzUp]

What was the promotion rate to O-4?

91.8%

[246check]

All the senior officers that I've talked to about their exec time, usually me mockingly, have valued it highly in learning about the way things are at a higher level. It built perspective and a greater understanding for them when going forth.

When I was a captain I despised the thought of being an exec.

When I was a major I politely declined the wing exec job when it was offered to me.

Now that I'm a lieutenant colonel I hope that I can mentor the captains in my sphere of influence well enough without the understanding that I might have gained from that exec job.

My job is no longer to be the best operator in the unit. I can damn sure hold my own but my time is better invested in developing the next set of leaders. It pains me to say this because the only thing that really matters is how you execute when the mission gets tough, but looking back on it I think spending 1 year out of 17 as the exec might have been worth it.

[matmacwc]

When I was a captain I despised the thought of being an exec.

When I was a major I politely declined the wing exec job when it was offered to me.

Now that I'm a lieutenant colonel I hope that I can mentor the captains in my sphere of influence well enough without the understanding that I might have gained from that exec job.

My job is no longer to be the best operator in the unit. I can damn sure hold my own but my time is better invested in developing the next set of leaders. It pains me to say this because the only thing that really matters is how you execute when the mission gets tough, but looking back on it I think spending 1 year out of 17 as the exec might have been worth it.

I don't know if I should throw up or applaud you. Most "senior" leaders think they can do well at the tactical level, but eventually they fly so little, they cannot, and do not know it. HOWEVER, if the right guy gets into the exec/leadership role and understands they need less priority missions due to proficiency, the unit will be better off as a whole.

[disgruntledemployee]

When I was a captain I despised the thought of being an exec.

When I was a major I politely declined the wing exec job when it was offered to me.

Now that I'm a lieutenant colonel I hope that I can mentor the captains in my sphere of influence well enough without the understanding that I might have gained from that exec job.

My job is no longer to be the best operator in the unit. I can damn sure hold my own but my time is better invested in developing the next set of leaders. It pains me to say this because the only thing that really matters is how you execute when the mission gets tough, but looking back on it I think spending 1 year out of 17 as the exec might have been worth it.

First, congrats to those that made the list. If you defied the odds by making it, remember the rule on luck and timing.

The exec dilemma. Execs do learn something. First is that by doing the job, they usually get a good paper. That means promotion. The rest is politics and commander whims on why they think the way they do. But that may or may not make said exec a better leader as it depends on the person and the commander. But it is a highly successful pathway to bigger things. I say that we need to push our best people into those jobs, and if we know our best people, they usually won't want it nor like it. But if we don't, then the shoes will seek those jobs for the sake of making grade, because they suck in the plane. That is a way to get our top dudes into jobs to make the force better. So the next time you see a shoe make a dive for the job, out maneuver them by pushing your top aviator/leader into the job instead. Keep the shoes (Changs) out. And then constantly remind them to not get brainwashed.

Good luck and out!

[zach braff]

I made it and even managed to catch the IDE designator. Not an SOS DG or even in a good flight, never been an Exec (although I did do a CAG stint), never was Xmas party/CFC/AFAF lead and have never even met my SR in person… Heck after reading the stories from the BaseOps threads for the last 9 years it's a wonder I even made major at all!

In seriousness, I think there were some changes - for the good - in what was valued this board. I'd be curious to know if any after-action or post-board slide decks will come out from the members - obviously they wouldn't have specifics but general "what we valued" info would be cool to see.

Anyway, congrats to all those on the lists...both O-4 & O-6!

zb

Edited February 12, 2015 by zach braff

[HossHarris]

Just remember you CAN fly for 20+ years, having never been an exec, nor on a staff, nor attached. It can, and should, be done.

You can do it!

[General Chang]

First, congrats to those that made the list. If you defied the odds by making it, remember the rule on luck and timing.

The exec dilemma. Execs do learn something. First is that by doing the job, they usually get a good paper. That means promotion. The rest is politics and commander whims on why they think the way they do. But that may or may not make said exec a better leader as it depends on the person and the commander. But it is a highly successful pathway to bigger things. I say that we need to push our best people into those jobs, and if we know our best people, they usually won't want it nor like it. But if we don't, then the shoes will seek those jobs for the sake of making grade, because they suck in the plane. That is a way to get our top dudes into jobs to make the force better. So the next time you see a shoe make a dive for the job, out maneuver them by pushing your top aviator/leader into the job instead. Keep the shoes (Changs) out. And then constantly remind them to not get brainwashed.

Good luck and out!

Seriously???

Guys, keep your head down, do your absolute best where you're planted, and multiple exec jobs will seek you out. Keep doing well, and you'll continue on to higher-level exec and aide jobs over multiple years. And yes, schools and promotions will follow. The AF only sends their best to these jobs; hence, the rewards at the end of the rainbow.

[disgruntledemployee]

Seriously???

Guys, keep your head down, do your absolute best where you're planted, and multiple exec jobs will seek you out. Keep doing well, and you'll continue on to higher-level exec and aide jobs over multiple years. And yes, schools and promotions will follow. The AF only sends their best to these jobs; hence, the rewards at the end of the rainbow.

Ha ha! I caught one! Men, I suggest you turn on your Chang squelch.

Elders, you know what I meant by my advice.

Out

[herkbum]

Seriously???

Guys, keep your head down, do your absolute best where you're planted, and multiple exec jobs will seek you out. Keep doing well, and you'll continue on to higher-level exec and aide jobs over multiple years. And yes, schools and promotions will follow. The AF only sends their best to these jobs; hence, the rewards at the end of the rainbow.

This now officially confirms Chang's troll status.

[11F]

Guys, keep your head down, do your absolute best where you're planted, and multiple exec jobs will seek you out. Keep doing well, and you'll continue on to higher-level exec and aide jobs over multiple years.

Chang, you have to read what you just wrote. If I were to paraphrase, "A high potential USAF officer should desire to be an aide or exec in at least a group, wing, and NAF leve, maybe more."

Aide and exec gigs are great learning experiences, but one year of one is enough. Other than that, let these HPOs execute their primary duties that the USAF hired them to do and bring their aide/exec lessons learned into the squadrons.

You can't just be an aide/exec for one-third of your career. I'm guessing you were a squadron or group exec once and that's about it.

[di1630]

Being an exec has NOTHING to do with leadership potential. My wife was an exec, and damn good, much better than the pilots (all top notch people) she was an exec with. Guess why? Because she had worked in college as a secretary.

An exec position is nothin more than a glorified secretary. Sure, you are asked the occasional input by your boss, but that could come from anyone else, you are just the easiest to ask.

In the end, being an exec, DS etc, is nothing more than a secretary job where you get the education of watching a dysfunctional bureaucratic organization like the USAF work its magic thanks to hardworking tactical operators and gobs of cash and resources.

If the USAF started promoting people it needed to be leaders instead of the bullied high schooler who finally got a taste of power in ROTC and learned if he kissed enough ass and filled squares he could someday be in charge.

We'd have less Chang's, less people making exec and worthless schools a goal and more warrior minded leaders who gave a shit about things other than their rise in the ranks of big blue.

Edited February 13, 2015 by di1630

[Gravedigger]

I was an OG exec. It was a shit ton of work, but I gained more "leadership" experience from that job than from any other job I've had. Giving direct feedback to squadron commanders as a Captain can be a challenging leadership experience. It's also interesting to see how decisions are made and implemented at all levels. My former boss is now a GO, so that doesn't hurt either. I don't know how other organizations work, but I've never seen an exec picked for secretarial experience. In my experience, squadrons typically nominate quality people for execdom. I know that's not the case everywhere, but damn people sure are cynical about execs around here.

[one1]

An exec position is nothin more than a glorified secretary. .

Being an exec is not the same as being a secretary. If you are an exec and you are only performing duties a secretary would do, then your are doing it wrong. Someone in a position to have an exec usually has a secretary in the first place. If you are an exec doing secretary work, the boss either isn't utilizing you correctly, or doesn't trust you enough to do the job.

Edited February 14, 2015 by one1

[DirkDiggler]

I was an OG exec. It was a shit ton of work, but I gained more "leadership" experience from that job than from any other job I've had. Giving direct feedback to squadron commanders as a Captain can be a challenging leadership experience. It's also interesting to see how decisions are made and implemented at all levels. My former boss is now a GO, so that doesn't hurt either. I don't know how other organizations work, but I've never seen an exec picked for secretarial experience. In my experience, squadrons typically nominate quality people for execdom. I know that's not the case everywhere, but damn people sure are cynical about execs around here.

I gained more "leadership" experience from leading a crew in combat and MSN/CCing TDY ops in multiple countries than I ever did in my exec job. To each his own I guess.

[C-21.Pilot]

I gained more "leadership" experience from leading a crew in combat and MSN/CCing TDY ops in multiple countries than I ever did in my exec job. To each his own I guess.

Unfortunately, in today's Air Force, being tactically savvy and leading from the front plays second best to those execs who are nibbling at the teet of the SQ/OG CC....

I can tell you that where I am at, the Exec is a secretary and known as the worst pilot in the SQ with poor leadership skills.

[DirkDiggler]

Unfortunately, in today's Air Force, being tactically savvy and leading from the front plays second best to those execs who are nibbling at the teet of the SQ/OG CC....

I can tell you that where I am at, the Exec is a secretary and known as the worst pilot in the SQ with poor leadership skills.

I'm in school now, didn't do my exec job till after I was a select so I don't think that statement is accurate across all communities

[tac airlifter]

Unfortunately, in today's Air Force, being tactically savvy and leading from the front plays second best to those execs who are nibbling at the teet of the SQ/OG CC....

I can tell you that where I am at, the Exec is a secretary and known as the worst pilot in the SQ with poor leadership skills.

Don't speak for the whole AF bro; leading from the front, being an expert operator and killing the enemy is still a priority in SOF. Sorry you're in a bitch community. Edited February 14, 2015 by tac airlifter

[matmacwc]

Leaders aren't supposed to keep their heads down.

[Gravedigger]

I gained more "leadership" experience from leading a crew in combat and MSN/CCing TDY ops in multiple countries than I ever did in my exec job. To each his own I guess.

I know this sounds crazy, but for me the ops stuff was the easy part. You go through a ton of training and spend a lot of time studying and doing your primary job as an Lt, with very little else to worry about. So, while being a mission commander was definitely the most fun leadership job I had, it didn't really teach me much I hadn't seen before. The exec job was the exact opposite. It was totally foreign and unnatural to me, and that is what made it so challenging and rewarding in the end.

I don't think being an exec makes me or anyone else better than anyone, it is just a different perspective than most CGOs get to experience, which can be very beneficial moving forward.