Homestar Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 May as well go first look and get it over. I know that over the past few years there has been a push to get guys into IDE on earlier looks.
brabus Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Have a buddy who was a select, said "don't send me to school" on the form whatever, all CC's concurred for ops requirements...got school on 1st look. All he wanted was to not leave on his 1st look and have another year - completely reasonable. Fast forward and the AF has lost another great dude from a 7 day opt. Good job AF, you're doing a great job managing people, keep it up.
17D_guy Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 1 minute ago, brabus said: Have a buddy who was a select, said "don't send me to school" on the form whatever, all CC's concurred for ops requirements...got school on 1st look. All he wanted was to not leave on his 1st look and have another year - completely reasonable. Fast forward and the AF has lost another great dude from a 7 day opt. Good job AF, you're doing a great job managing people, keep it up. But.. how else will we get officers to develop? 1
zach braff Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 SRs are generally required to nominate all eligible selects unless they have a really good excuse (mission critical/hardship/etc), so expect a nom if you're a select and meet TOS requirements and stuff - the school nom PSDM will have the details. He/She can still make comments about not sending you yet, but clicking the nominate box will be mandatory in all likelihood. zb
Muscle2002 Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 SRs are generally required to nominate all eligible selects unless they have a really good excuse (mission critical/hardship/etc), so expect a nom if you're a select and meet TOS requirements and stuff - the school nom PSDM will have the details. He/She can still make comments about not sending you yet, but clicking the nominate box will be mandatory in all likelihood. zb Even if the SR doesn't nominate, folks can still be tagged to go. Previous squadron had two who were not nominated due to manning yet both are going. this summer
brabus Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 What Muscle said is what happened to my buddy. 50% manned/he's mission critical, so SR said don't send because of that. AFPC: "Sounds good, here's his rip for school." Here's an idea, what if we weren't obsessed with useless PME, or at the min just did it all via distant learning. This BS we call an "education" is certainly doable via distant learning at the 100% rate. In res is a jobs program for AU. The only caveat is MAYBE the small opportunities like sending a guy to a civilian school. He gets a great education, BUT much of the time I still question how useful that masters is to the AF/that officer during their AF career. The friends I have going to those opportunities are guys who will do just as well in their continued career without the additional masters.
NKAWTG Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Big blue has decided that the folks with the best records need to be pulled out of their communities as soon as possible to check the boxes for Wg/CC. The assumption is they need to fit in school, staff, Sq/CC, school, OG/CC or CV, and maybe another staff. The earlier they start, the better chance they have of completing the Air Force's self imposed hurdles within some arbitrary time-frame. Unfortunately, ops tempo, manning, joint spouse and the select's own wishes have taken a back seat to making this happen. It boggles the mind that the Air Force puts their future leaders in positions where they strongly consider 7 day opting. And it skews the pool toward the career driven, everything-else-be-damned types. 3
guineapigfury Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 3 hours ago, NKAWTG said: Big blue has decided that the folks with the best records need to be pulled out of their communities as soon as possible to check the boxes for Wg/CC. The assumption is they need to fit in school, staff, Sq/CC, school, OG/CC or CV, and maybe another staff. The earlier they start, the better chance they have of completing the Air Force's self imposed hurdles within some arbitrary time-frame. Unfortunately, ops tempo, manning, joint spouse and the select's own wishes have taken a back seat to making this happen. It boggles the mind that the Air Force puts their future leaders in positions where they strongly consider 7 day opting. And it skews the pool toward the career driven, everything-else-be-damned types. In their eyes this is likely a feature and not a bug.
danvgalhb Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 Okay, so I know asking a question like this is like asking a car mechanic to tell me if I should/shouldn't be concerned about my car without letting the mechanic inspect the car (i.e., my records). However, I figure there's no harm in asking my question anyways. So, I got my PRF (for the upcoming 0-5 board) and I didn't get a 'DP' in the box (got a 'P' in the box instead) but my 0-9 gave me a "#3/36 I/A/BPZ" 0-4s strat. I have a good pile of "#1" strats/awards reflected in my OPRs (and in my PRF) but no overall FGO quarterly/annual awards (I don't volunteer for anything (e.g. community service) and just get stuff done). I was told my record did go to the MLR but apparently didn't have enough stuff to earn a 'DP' in the box. I have heard from others that I should be "thrilled" with such a PRF bottom line but I have mixed feelings. I know a #3/36 0-4s sounds encouraging but since I didn't get the 'DP' in the box checked, am I right not to get excited about the PRF bottom line? For anyone who has sat on a board, I'd definitely appreciate your thoughts but all inputs are welcome.
di1630 Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 Are you in the zone? Having an O-9 write your PRF is a plus, it might come down to DP allocation rates for the year. Anyone have info on that #? Sounds like a solid PRF, I wouldn't sweat it.
danvgalhb Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 DI: Yes, I'm IPZ this year. Thanks for the inputs.
Champ Kind Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 All the more reason our promotion system is jacked up and based on dubious messages. Dude is a Lt Gen's #3 eligible in a sizable pool and he doesn't know what to think with regard to his chances because of conflicting messages on the PRF. Nonsense. 3
Karl Hungus Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. 9
danvgalhb Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 Ho Lee, I don't know the exact breakout of the zones but what I was told was the he was only given one DP for his IPZs (exclusive of any he may have gotten at the MLR), which is what threw me off the most. I don't know if he was even able to get another DP at the MLR for his "#2" IPZ but yes, I do agree the strat was a little nebulous, which is where my confusion comes from. My guess is he had very few IPZs and a good chunk of BPZs/APZs if he was only given one IPZ DP to begin with. Anyways, I appreciate the inputs.
danvgalhb Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 There were 2 DPs available for the BPZs if that muddies the water more.
Karl Hungus Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Ho Lee Fuk said: Side note, Karl H, when do you separate? When do you move on to the land of ice cream and blow jobs and leave us idiots and lobotomized Kool-aid drinkers behind? Is it soon? Please? After literally years of being the downer on every post you make, you'd figure your DOS should be coming up any day. Why are you here? If you hate active duty so much, why don't you just move on? Why the constant barrage of snide comments and negativity? Why aren't you posting over in the guard/res section or the airline forums about how amazing your life has become once you decided to leave the misery of active duty behind you? How dare I point out the ridiculousness of our promotion system! Interesting that you feel it's an either/or- get in line and play these silly games, or "move on to the land of ice cream and blow jobs". FWIW, I really like my job on AD. I work hard and have put myself in a position to have lots of options going forward. Unfortunately, the things I like to point out as problems with AD- how we promote, work/life balance (or lack thereof), inane political correctness, toxic management, etc- are making my remaining on AD past my current assignment extremely unlikely. I'm here because this is one of the few avenues where our senior management interacts with the masses. Sometimes they need to be reminded that the emperor doesn't always appear to be wearing clothes. And I'll continue to be here in the future, regardless of if I'm on AD, ice cream and blow jobs or not. 1 1
BADFNZ Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 Where is this land of ice cream and blow jobs? 4
ThreeHoler Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 Where is this land of ice cream and blow jobs? At the A-word. Just ask Butters. But you have to do Emerald Coast to qualify. 1
Vetter Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 As a youngish dude at an airline, this gig is literally ice cream and blow jobs. Get out, the grass is greener! 3
LJ Driver Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 I have the perfect solution to your problem: why don't you get on your SRs schedule and actually ask him? You're #3 of 36, he obviously knows you. Should be relatively easy to solve this brain teaser... GOs are not robots, and the good ones actually enjoy talking to their airman - and mentoring them. 5
danvgalhb Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 LJ, ask the SR what...if I am right not to get excited about the PRF bottom line? I'm not going to waste time doing that. However, if I'm going to get on the SR's schedule to chat about my PRF, it's because I want to know what the weaknesses and strengths in my records were that led to my strat, not ask whether or not I think my PRF is something to get excited about.
Duck Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 So I know if you get passed over twice you can separate almost immediately but what about if you are offered promotion and turn it down?
Jaded Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 26 minutes ago, Duck said: So I know if you get passed over twice you can separate almost immediately but what about if you are offered promotion and turn it down? As a pilot, you will get continued and will have to wait out your adsc with a smaller paycheck. 1
xaarman Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Asking for a friend of mine... If you get DNP'd, do you still get IVSP? Edited February 11, 2016 by xaarman
Chida Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Declining a promotion is considered to be failed of selection, same effect as not making the promotion list. There is no continuation after the fact. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
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