Promotion and PRF Information

[hispeed7721]

Yeah that look to be the case...LAF guys who pinned Capt anytime in 2013 will meet the board 4 Dec 17

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[war007afa]

17 hours ago, Lstcause257 said:

So the dates for the 08 Maj board came out and it will be in March of next year. Now with that I have a few questions, first, what is the cutoff date for something being part of the package that meets the board. The reason I ask is I have at least one wing lvl award as well as a project which is has MAJCOM/CC vis which will be complete by the end of year but was not documented on my previous OPR. Second question, how can I get those items documented to be added to my PRF? Also, my next OPR isn't scheduled to close out til Feb of next year.

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A few points: 

- Theres always a possibility to work a CRO or other means to generate an OPR date movement in front of the board for your PRF or draft a medal for an accomplishment.

- Although there are "sticklers" in the Air Force who will insist every bullet originates from a report of some kind, this requirement is not accurate. The actual requirement points out that the Senior Rater "must know the information to be true". This means if an action is so great it makes the cut-line for a PRF, it can be included without previously being on a report. This also means if your stratification has improved since your last report, it can (and should) reflect in the push line. 

Hope this helps. 

[Champ Kind]

6 hours ago, Slander said:

where to find that information that isn't "call your exec" please?

Why's that?  This type of thing literally makes up the bulk of the miserable lives these people lead... might as well capitalize on the knowledge.  

[Bode]

Sorry it's sideways but it gets the point across.

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[Slander]

Why's that?  This type of thing literally makes up the bulk of the miserable lives these people lead... might as well capitalize on the knowledge.  

Because I like knowing how to find answers rather than only knowing who to try to find.

[Champ Kind]

Because I like knowing how to find answers rather than only knowing who to try to find.

Value in both.

[Duck]

I am writing a "Do Not Promote" letter to my first look O-4 board.

1) will my Wing CC be able to see this?

2) should I give someone in my chain a heads up?

They know why I want to get out and go to the ANG (family health reasons), but seem to hate anyone who tries to, God forbid, get out of AD. Any advice would be appreciated.

[Guest]

I am writing a "Do Not Promote" letter to my first look O-4 board.

1) will my Wing CC be able to see this?

2) should I give someone in my chain a heads up?

They know why I want to get out and go to the ANG (family health reasons), but seem to hate anyone who tries to, God forbid, get out of AD. Any advice would be appreciated.

Duck,

What do you stand to gain by not getting promoted? You are going to be continued, so you're not going to be able to dodge any ASDC and get out any earlier. By not getting promoted, you'll spend your last 2-3 years getting paid as a Capt instead of a Maj.

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[BFM this]

You don't have to accept continuation if it is offered. If continuation is offered, it only means that you don't get separation pay on the way out.

[Duck]

Ihtfp06, it would get me to the ANG 2 years sooner than if I stayed to the bitter end. I still want to serve full time but I have family issues pulling me back home. Twice passed over, they will offer me continuation and I will decline it and make the transition.

[whatup123]

6 minutes ago, Duck said:

Ihtfp06, it would get me to the ANG 2 years sooner than if I stayed to the bitter end. I still want to serve full time but I have family issues pulling me back home. Twice passed over, they will offer me continuation and I will decline it and make the transition.

You're going to try and go to the Guard or Reserve after being twice passed over on AD?  Doesn't a unit have to get a huge waiver to hire you after that?

[Duck]

So my goal is to get once passed over and then request an early Palace Chase/Separation from AD before my second board. However those twice passed over waivers are getting approved by all my buds who have been twice passed over...

I see all the gears turning on here but any answers to my original question on how to handle my True Blue leadership?

[11F]

I am writing a "Do Not Promote" letter to my first look O-4 board.

1) will my Wing CC be able to see this?

2) should I give someone in my chain a heads up?

They know why I want to get out and go to the ANG (family health reasons), but seem to hate anyone who tries to, God forbid, get out of AD. Any advice would be appreciated.

Duck:

Disclaimer: I wouldn't recommend what you're doing, but you've obviously put thought into this and you didn't ask for opinions; I'll stop here.

1) Technically, the promotion system is setup for this to be hidden from your leadership. Reality: there's a chance your leadership finds out after the fact from the O-6 network (your letter will be talked about).

Just thought of this: I don't know if your leadership can see your PRDA to see your as met records after the fact (anyone?).

2) I would recommend telling your most trusted leader in your chain of command who will understand and be your advocate to the other haters. You do NOT want your chain finding out about this through other channels (again, this letter of yours will be talked about). Even if you don't have a trusted leader in your chain, I'd still tell someone and let them know you wanted to tell them yourself.

I pray you're able to support your family in a way that best meets their needs.

[BuddhaSixFour]

Could you just apply for Misc Sep and cite the family issues and your commitment to the Guard? I've seen that get approved for guys with 18 months left at separation time. May or may not work, but it's way less likely to burn anything down in the way out. 

[Duck]

Good suggestion but I tried that and got denied by WG/CC and AFPC and SAF/PC. Sq/CC approved though.

At my base the current guidance is they will disapprove all Separation/PC cases outside of 6 months.

[HossHarris]

PC isn't decided at the base. We've had folks get non-concurred all the way up and then approved PC of over a year. 

[Duck]

Absolutely, but after 4 failed PC/Hardship and Misc separations... And leadership telling me I need to stop applying until I am about a year out, it puts me in this situation.

[08Dawg]

Two Major's boards in one year....maybe all those VSPs/RIFs/etc weren't such a good idea, huh?

Edited August 10, 2016 by 08Dawg
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[BuddhaSixFour]

13 hours ago, Duck said:

Good suggestion but I tried that and got denied by WG/CC and AFPC and SAF/PC. Sq/CC approved though.

At my base the current guidance is they will disapprove all Separation/PC cases outside of 6 months.

Sorry, man. 

For what it's worth, it's an illustration of the problem I have with 10-year ADSCs, and anything longer the AF may consider. There is zero way to predict what life is going to deal you that far out. I see it as a bit of a moral imperative to provide some flexibility on the back half of it for that exact reason. 

A hard and fast six-month limit is lazy ass senior leadership not trusting lazy ass middle leadership to make an informed decision about balancing personal needs and the needs of the Air Force. 

Could be you're a slacker looking to shirk a commitment. I dunno. Not sure we've ever met. But your SQ/CC does know you, your story, and the state of your community's manning. If he/she supported it, well, consider yourself backed by a random poster on base ops. 

Good luck. 

[Duck]

Community Manning is at 107% and my base is "double digit" T-6 IPs fat. I have a great record with good SQ and OG strats and a couple DGs, but from a smaller, less competitive base, so my records probably look better than if I was at a super wing for my first assignment.

I feel confident that I am doing the best thing for my family and feel I have given the AF ample opportunity to retain me on the AD force. I will probably end up telling my DO, but I just have this feeling that no matter what I write on this letter the promotion rate is going to be so high that I am still going to get picked up anyways, but at least I can sleep knowing that I at least tried.

[Bode]

Community Manning is at 107% and my base is "double digit" T-6 IPs fat. I have a great record with good SQ and OG strats and a couple DGs, but from a smaller, less competitive base, so my records probably look better than if I was at a super wing for my first assignment.

I feel confident that I am doing the best thing for my family and feel I have given the AF ample opportunity to retain me on the AD force. I will probably end up telling my DO, but I just have this feeling that no matter what I write on this letter the promotion rate is going to be so high that I am still going to get picked up anyways, but at least I can sleep knowing that I at least tried.

Duck when you say "community manning" are you talking AF wide T-6 manning? If so 107 is probably in accurate. My unit is around 70 (approx same for our other T-6 unit) which means someone would have to be extremely fat to take the average up to 107%. We are also Max performing DAV 64s to keep people from deploying because off manning.

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[pawnman]

7 hours ago, 08Dawg said:

Two Major's boards in one year....maybe all those VSPs/RIFs/etc weren't such a good idea, huh?

There was no way we could have possibly seen this coming.

I know at least 5 people in my year group (05) who have gotten out between the board results and now.   Several right after pinning on major.

I also knew a guy trying to execute Duck's plan of getting passed over to push up his separation timeline.  I don't know if the two are correlated, but he didn't get promoted and his Palace Chase got approved.

[Duck]

Duck when you say "community manning" are you talking AF wide T-6 manning? If so 107 is probably in accurate. My unit is around 70 (approx same for our other T-6 unit) which means someone would have to be extremely fat to take the average up to 107%. We are also Max performing DAV 64s to keep people from deploying because off manning.

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Sorry I should have been more clear. My MWS is at 107% and my T-6 base is over-manned by the mid teens. No t-6 guy here is DAV coded.

[otsap]

Duck,

In the past two years, our squadron has had 3 people attempt early separation by the same means you're asking about, twice passed over.  One of them wrote his Do Not Promote letter to the board after his PRF was filled out, signed, and he had gotten a DP.  He was not passed over, unsurprisingly.  

The other two made their intentions known to their leadership.  One of them, after telling the Sq/CC about their plan to write a letter, met with the Wg/CC as well to argue for a P, and got it.  That person's argument was somewhat compelling, much like yours sounds to be.  They then wrote their own PRF and followed up with the exec to ensure it wasn't fixed "too strongly."  The only push back here was that the Sq/CC argued that sending off a PRF that was "too weak" would reflect poorly on the squadron.  So the PRF ended up being neither really weak nor the best it could be, but with the coveted P.  

The other person rolled the dice and only told the Sq/CC about the letter and hoped for the best regarding a P or DP.  They also got a P, and were passed over.  That person's PRF was weak to begin with though, due to making their intentions and motivations (or lack thereof) known years earlier, so the P followed from that.

Not sure if this helps, but it's three more data points.

[Duck]

Thanks for the info! Did #2 get passed over?