Promotion and PRF Information

[Champ Kind]

27 minutes ago, panchbarnes said:

2. close physical proximity to Sq/CC (face time) for influence.  

Sq/CCs don't sign PRFs.

[xaarman]

So what's the best (non self destructive) way of not getting offered continuation/getting IVSP? 

If we go Guard/Reserve, will we have to pay back the IVSP (out of retirement?)

Expected/planned passed over IPZ - knew what the game was and decided not to play it. Thankful for the experience but excited to start the next chapter. 

Edited October 7, 2016 by xaarman
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[StoleIt]

Since they are moving boards closer together now...it seems like if an 08 guy gets twice passed over they could get out about 2-3 years prior to their ADSC.

Does that mental math work? Just day dreaming over here and I'm bouncing back and forth between a nightmare of Stop Loss and a wet dream of Palace of Chase.

[Craftsman]

Since they are moving boards closer together now...it seems like if an 08 guy gets twice passed over they could get out about 2-3 years prior to their ADSC.
Does that mental math work? Just day dreaming over here and I'm bouncing back and forth between a nightmare of Stop Loss and a wet dream of Palace of Chase.

That math checks depending on when you started and finished UPT. For me it will be about 1.75 years earlier than ADSC. While I am in the next board and think I will make it, there is still that spot of well is it that bad if I don't?


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[bennynova]

The quick answer is there is Nothing you can do to get VSPd.   You can put up basically the same PRF and get non selected a second time but whether or not you get VSPd or continued is based on "needs of the Air Force".   And I bet you'd get continued anyhow

and if you want to retire from reserves then my understanding is the first checks from your retirement will be paid back to Uncle Sam to make up for your separation of.  So if you get the sep pay, then invest it wisely and you'll get to keep the interest basically.   

 

[Larry Sellers]

29 minutes ago, bennynova said:

The quick answer is there is Nothing you can do to get VSPd.   You can put up basically the same PRF and get non selected a second time but whether or not you get VSPd or continued is based on "needs of the Air Force".   And I bet you'd get continued anyhow

and if you want to retire from reserves then my understanding is the first checks from your retirement will be paid back to Uncle Sam to make up for your separation of.  So if you get the sep pay, then invest it wisely and you'll get to keep the interest basically.   

 

Or they recoup the separation pay from your VA disability.  While it seems like a good deal they're gonna get it back one way or another.

[fire4effect]

58 minutes ago, Larry Sellers said:

Or they recoup the separation pay from your VA disability.  While it seems like a good deal they're gonna get it back one way or another.

I think the deal for the Army (when they kicked a bunch of O-3s and O-4s to the curb a couple years back) went like this. If you want your Separation Pay you join a Reserve Unit for 3 years but if you stayed in until retirement the same deal to pay it back kicked in.

Also, I quote

"The three-year Ready Reserve obligation will begin on the active-duty separation date, unless the soldier has an existing service obligation. In such cases, the three-year obligation will not begin until the day after the existing obligation is completed in the Ready Reserve."

Obviously more to the whole RIF process but you get the idea. The house always wins.

[Duck]

In general, if you're passed over, you're done making rank...unless you're in that 3% category that gets a DP ABZ because your senior rater realizes that you should have never been passed over in the first place.  So the fact that the boards are more closer together doesn't help much, but for the vast majority of those passed over it wouldn't have mattered either way.

I think the last 2 boards have been like 20-28% promotion rate for ABZ!!!


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[pawnman]

3 minutes ago, Duck said:

I think the last 2 boards have been like 20-28% promotion rate for ABZ!!!


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That rated manning crisis is really helping some folks.

[Duck]

As long as they accept my DNP letter in March...


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[bennynova]

Deborah Lee James changed the boards so that the "best" packages get promoted regardless of year group

 

. Thus lowering the effective promotion rate of the ITZ year group

 

bord is no longer allowed to discriminate based on year group

 

Enjoy it while it lasts

 

[Twelve-tribes]

13 hours ago, Craftsman said:

So if you were just passed over on this board (07) year group, you are f'd as the (08) board meets in march so nothing will change in your prf but your meeting your above the line in 6 months. Does this check? That is now an even more f'd system. The same will go for the (08) guys meet in march 2017 if you are passed over you will go into the (09) which will meet 6-9 months later in dec of 17.


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So yeah that's also the crazy aspect of this scenario. For my situation assuming I get continued (haven't seen the letter yet) I don't even have to decide to continue  until after the accounting date and my old unit is looking for my next PRF!  As for the first board guys the same situation happened to me in Jan this year with the board release and the next board 5 months later. You essentially have 1 board unless your leadership sets you up right. In my case the board failed to see yes I didn't fit the mold of progression but I went back to fill a position you needed and I am building back up. Total oversight on big blue's part.  Bottom line is if I stayed a WSO I would probably be a major but since I changed and helped you out I am looked down upon. This is the flaw of the central boards and lack of checks and balances. If the AF were a major corporation like the airlines and our leadership had a stake (stocks) in how well it performed (profits) they would think twice about this. 

[fire4effect]

36 minutes ago, Duck said:

I think the last 2 boards have been like 20-28% promotion rate for ABZ!!!


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33 minutes ago, pawnman said:

That rated manning crisis is really helping some folks.

I recently worked with the spouse of a rated Air Force O-5 who made O-6 ABZ. They had accepted that his career was over and were making serious retirement plans. They just did a PCS on the way to finish the 3 years he'll need to retire as an O-6. To say they were surprised is putting it mildly. Their guess was  that somebody on the board who knew him said WTF.  

Edited October 8, 2016 by fire4effect

[ThreeHoler]

So what's the best (non self destructive) way of not getting offered continuation/getting IVSP? 
If we go Guard/Reserve, will we have to pay back the IVSP (out of retirement?)
Expected/planned passed over IPZ - knew what the game was and decided not to play it. Thankful for the experience but excited to start the next chapter. 

As an 11X? Not going to happen. 11X are considered critical career fields for the continuation board. Every 11X should expect to be continued to the max limit: 20 for Capt; 24 for Maj; 28 for Lt Col. At least for the short term.

I've heard from reputable sources that the stars are genuinely worried about the pilot retention problem.




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[08Dawg]

19 hours ago, bennynova said:

Deborah Lee James changed the boards so that the "best" packages get promoted regardless of year group

 

. Thus lowering the effective promotion rate of the ITZ year group

 

bord is no longer allowed to discriminate based on year group

 

Enjoy it while it lasts

 

Although, this helped two of our guys (both good dudes who should've made it before) make it one above this year.  Having two boards in a calendar year tells me we're hurting for majors, so IMHO this isn't necessarily a bad thing. 

[Muscle2002]

Deborah Lee James changed the boards so that the "best" packages get promoted regardless of year group
 

Seems to be true. I just learned that an old Academy squadron mate was picked up for Major on his 5 ABZ board.


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[Ram]

2 hours ago, Muscle2002 said:

Seems to be true. I just learned that an old Academy squadron mate was picked up for Major on his 5 ABZ board.


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Edited October 9, 2016 by Ram

[Skitzo]

I know the 5ATZ guy in question. The AF finally got it right. Line number 1.


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[Ram]

Badass. I am just surprised.

Just a year ago this would have been totally impossible. Let's keep the good changes rolling.


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[guineapigfury]

I know a guy who got picked up on his 8th look at last years board.

[Ram]

I know a guy who got picked up on his 8th look at last years board.

Ok, now you're just fvcking with us.


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[guineapigfury]

I'm not.

[Disco_Nav963]

Wait a tick... Dudes that are twice passed-over and given still continuation still have to do PRFs? I had no idea. Glad they're not going into the shredder for these dudes.

[bennynova]

Correct disco

.  Their PRFs used to be blanked out, but it's starting to change now.  

[D_Vezencuando]

On 10/7/2016 at 5:47 AM, Craftsman said:

So if you were just passed over on this board (07) year group, you are f'd as the (08) board meets in march so nothing will change in your prf but your meeting your above the line in 6 months. Does this check? That is now an even more f'd system. The same will go for the (08) guys meet in march 2017 if you are passed over you will go into the (09) which will meet 6-9 months later in dec of 17.


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Craftsman,

Check the PSDM announcing the next cycle's schedule. I'm off the .mil this week, but recall a paragraph that addressed your situation. In addition to the Commander's MFR, those who lacked an interim OPR or Training Report had a way to add to their PRF. At any rate, check MyPers. All the best, SAS