Promotion and PRF Information

[yankeetango]

84.6% promotion rate for the 16C board. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that 10% higher than the historical average?


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[Duck]

According to the promotion stats on mypers those are significantly lower than previous boards. Last years board was 92.7% IPZ, 91.8% in 2014. In fact the last time it was that low was 1998 at 82.6%. This has got to be a typo. My guess is it was 94.6%.


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[Ram]

Maybe they increased the size of the pool of eligible O-3s to include APZ cats several years on...


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[Duck]

Does anyone know how long it takes to publish the stats?


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[bennynova]

Is the spreadsheet with these numbers in it not out yet?

 

i think it's an effective 84.6 rate for the IPZ guys

there was probably a larger % of APZ than in past years being that this was the 2nd year the board didn't care what zone you were in

 

Last year would have been higher, but no one knew to submit filled out prfs

 

[Duck]

I checked mypers promotion stats today and the last one posted was last year. The overall # of pilots promoted was less than last years I noticed.


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[pawnman]

21 hours ago, Disco_Nav963 said:

Wait a tick... Dudes that are twice passed-over and given still continuation still have to do PRFs? I had no idea. Glad they're not going into the shredder for these dudes.

They used to do all the paperwork exercise associated with a PRF, only to have them turned in blank.  Then they get to go with the guys meeting the board for the first time and get the blank PRF handed back to them by the WG/CC anyway.  Huge waste of time and effort for everyone involved.

[pawnman]

11 hours ago, Duck said:

I checked mypers promotion stats today and the last one posted was last year. The overall # of pilots promoted was less than last years I noticed.


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I wonder if that's because so many bailed prior to the board, or were using other gamesmanship to get passed over and get out.

[xaarman]

13 hours ago, Duck said:

Does anyone know how long it takes to publish the stats?


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Stats are up at https://access.afpc.af.mil/vbinDMZ/broker.exe?_program=DEMOGPUB.static_reports.sas&_service=pZ1pub1&_debug=0

Scroll to [Promotions] INDIVIDUAL LINE MAJ2016

[matmacwc]

Wow, 11 BTZ LtCols with no IDE and a DP got promoted.

[NKAWTG]

26 minutes ago, matmacwc said:

Wow, 11 BTZ LtCols with no IDE and a DP got promoted.

Could be wrong, but I bet that would be the still at IDE while meeting their BTZ board demographic group.  That goes back to the practice bleeding memo from a few years back.  Shiny pennies would do PME in correspondence as a select so they could be picked up on a BTZ board while they were at IDE or SDE.

[Cavepilot]

On 10/12/2016 at 11:32 PM, NKAWTG said:

Could be wrong, but I bet that would be the still at IDE while meeting their BTZ board demographic group.  That goes back to the practice bleeding memo from a few years back.  Shiny pennies would do PME in correspondence as a select so they could be picked up on a BTZ board while they were at IDE or SDE.

Does anyone have that memo, btw?  I'm a school select and my leadership is asking me to enroll in ACSC-DL... Would prefer to have a better reason than 'I don't wanna' to say no...

[zmoney]

2 hours ago, Cavepilot said:

Does anyone have that memo, btw?  I'm a school select and my leadership is asking me to enroll in ACSC-DL... Would prefer to have a better reason than 'I don't wanna' to say no...

It was in a Guidance Memorandum published to AFI 36-2301.  The memo seems to have disappeared though... probably expired and was removed.  That probably wasn't intentional, but that's probably what happened. 

[Herk Driver]

Does anyone have that memo, btw?  I'm a school select and my leadership is asking me to enroll in ACSC-DL... Would prefer to have a better reason than 'I don't wanna' to say no...

Call the Education Center. Ask them if you can enroll as a school select. They should tell you no. Tell your boss that you tried and were told that you were ineligible.


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[magnetfreezer]

8 hours ago, Cavepilot said:

Does anyone have that memo, btw?  I'm a school select and my leadership is asking me to enroll in ACSC-DL... Would prefer to have a better reason than 'I don't wanna' to say no...

My leadership told me I wasn't allowed to enroll in DL as a school select. I think some of the early DL enrollment was leadership trying to make guys IDE complete by their 2BTZ board.

[pawnman]

13 minutes ago, magnetfreezer said:

My leadership told me I wasn't allowed to enroll in DL as a school select. I think some of the early DL enrollment was leadership trying to make guys IDE complete by their 2BTZ board.

It's a recent change to stem the practice bleeding.  If you're a select, you will go in residence (unless you turn it down).  There's no point in doing it by correspondence.

[Chuck17]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I last looked at the DL site, the guidance was posted there and I was not allowed to sign up for any DL as a select. Period.

if so, you can send your boss the link. Solved.

Chuck

[BFM this]

21 hours ago, Cavepilot said:

Does anyone have that memo, btw?  I'm a school select and my leadership is asking me to enroll in ACSC-DL... Would prefer to have a better reason than 'I don't wanna' to say no...

How, in today's information age, could this even be a question?  Is your leadership's office located under a rock?  On the moon?  The fact that this kind of buffoonery still exists in broad daylight...  Your leadership should be publicly identified and provided counseling behind the nearest woodshed.

I'd love to know what base/wing, but that would unnecessarily highlight you.  FFS...

[yankeetango]

Question: what will promotion increments look like for the latest batch of major selects now that the next board has been moved up? I would think they would have to be larger than the 230 from the last board.


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[PlanePhlyer]

I'm sure they would increase. The 08' prf's are already being written. This year is up to 230 from 212(ish). 

[Duck]

They selected 1,931 which is a little less than the last couple boards. If they get through the list in 9 months in time for the next board, expect around 214 a month. The list should be exhausted by September. Next board pinning on in Oct if not sooner.


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[Duck]

Once they release January's increment we will have a really good idea at how fast the year group will be done.


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[MooseAg03]

They selected 1,931 which is a little less than the last couple boards. If they get through the list in 9 months in time for the next board, expect around 214 a month. The list should be exhausted by September. Next board pinning on in Oct if not sooner.


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This is what I figured. Recently it has been about 6 months from board completion to first pin on. The list on MyPers that I looked at yesterday had 1903 selects, so I figured about 212 per month to finish in September in time for the March '07 board to begin pinning in October.


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[Guest ThatGuy]

Pinned on O-4 and went to a new MWS a few days later. My old flying unit was deactivated 2 weeks prior to starting my new MWS IQT. Had to have an operation after a few weeks of training. Long story short, I garnered DG. I was in training for 5 months. Then I had to have another operation after my training and before I PCS'd.

I arrived at my new base with an OPR due 3 months after I arrived. Granted you have to verify in your new MWS and certify, then I took a huge chunk of use/lose leave. Turned in my OPR with my TR. I was told you can't just write about everything you did in training. I am like thats all I have been doing is training. The school house Flt/CC wrote a phenomenal TR for me.

Can you not use a TR to help write an OPR? Does anyone really even care if you were a DG as an O-4? Isnt it pretty much expected of an FGO to excel?

[JoeMamaSucka]

29 minutes ago, slick999 said:

Can you not use a TR to help write an OPR? Does anyone really even care if you were a DG as an O-4? Isnt it pretty much expected of an FGO to excel?

A TR will be included in your ROP just like any OPR is. There's nothing against duplicating verbiage (since your OPR will encompass the same time period as your TR but it's not going to do much for you unless you're really struggling to fill the space on your OPR)

That being said, you mentioned you were at training for 5 months....a TR from formal training that is 20 weeks or greater should reset your reporting date IAW AFI 36-2406. If you were there for 5 months sitting DNIF for surgery for a large portion of that time that may not apply though--how long was the course supposed to be? If you're struggling to fill an OPR with good stuff I would explore this option.

A DG is always good but some DG's are better than others. DG from UPT or SOS is held in higher regard than an FTU DG (in a class that sometimes only has 2-3 people). In addition, DG's have more weight on some boards more than others. (i.e., maybe important on an O-3 or O-4 board, not so much on an O-5 board)