Promotion and PRF Information

[Weezer]

On 1/22/2017 at 2:34 PM, CopyShot said:

That's my understanding, but after some looking around the regs on e-pubs, I can't find a reference for it.  The one difference if I remember right is that there aren't carryover DPs, since everyone in the MLR is getting boarded.  As long as that's the case it should be something like 55% DP, 45% P.

From AFI 36-2406:

8.3.5.2. AF Level Students - officers assigned as permanent party students training outside their utilization field. Outside utilization training includes DE, degree-granting programs (usually AFIT sponsored), language training, Education With Industry (EWI) programs, attaché/designate training, MC/DC residency programs (when a new AFSC or suffix is awarded upon completion of training or when determined by the competitive category functional representatives), internships, and initial qualification training into a new utilization field.

8.3.5.2.1. HQ AFPC/DP2SPE acts as the ML for AF level students and receives “DP” allocations based on the number of BPZ or IPZ officers eligible for consideration by the HQ USAF Student MLR discussed in paragraph 8.3.5.2. The allocation rate is applied to students, patients and MIAs/POWs separately and rounded up at the ML.

8.3.5.2.2. HQ USAF Student ML Review. Convened by USAF/A1, it considers both Line and Non-Line permanent party students, patients and MIAs/POWs. It convenes approximately 70 days prior to the CSB. HQ USAF/A1 designates an MLR president and a minimum of four MLR members consistent with the minimum grade requirements for senior raters. The MLR is responsible for the following:

8.3.5.2.2.5. Awarding all promotion recommendations. There are no separate procedures to award aggregation and carry-over allocations.

8.3.5.2.2.6. Ensuring the R-O PRF is accomplished for each officer, the appropriate recommendation in Section IX is marked, the PRF is signed by the MLR president, and is attached to the N-O PRF prepared by the officer’s last permanent party SR.
8.3.5.2.2.7. Ensuring ratees receive a copy of the completed R-O and the attached N-O PRFs. NOTE: These are distributed per paragraph 8.1.4.2.13.

[Weezer]

Screenshot of a report pulled off of AFPC attached:

This was filtered by all line Majors with a 92S DAFSC (Student) assigned to Maxwell AFB as of the end of June 2016 (Lt Col results came out ~9 Jun).

'02 was IPZ; '03 and '04 were 1 and 2 BPZ, respectively.  All of the IPZ guys (45/45) were selected.  20/54 (~37%) of the 1 BPZ were selected.  3/46 (~6.5%) of the 2 BPZ were selected.

Numbers may be off slightly, but it should give you a reasonable idea of how the in-school folks end up.

 

[Dang!]

Anyone know how the 7-day opt policy change is affecting IDE alternates so far?  

[bennynova]

Congrats to all the Colonel selects out there!

 

results are "out there". Just gotta find em. 

Edited February 2, 2017 by bennynova

[soupafly06]

I've looked through about 69 pages of this thread and haven't seen any reference to someone writing a letter to the board in favor of promotion.  Has anyone done so and if so, what kind of info did you include in the letter? The AFI I found lists what cannot be included but the only other guidance is that one can write up to a 10 page letter. 

[bennynova]

I have. 

Pm me your email and I'll send you mine as an example if u like

 

I included things in the past 6 months that weren't reflected in my record yet.  

 

Main thing is dont whine or make excuses in the letter

[GKinnear]

32 minutes ago, bennynova said:

I included things in the past 6 months that weren't reflected in my record yet.  

 

If that's all you're doing, a signed SR Memo would carry more weight and get that info included in the PRF to start with.

[Seriously]

Pile on: Promotion board experts will tell you that letters to the board should be avoided completely unless explaining some anomaly in your record. Why you got a DUI, didn't receive any strats, etc. does not constitute an anomaly and will be viewed as whining.

[Spoo]

On ‎2‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 2:10 PM, bennynova said:

I have. 

Pm me your email and I'll send you mine as an example if u like

 

I included things in the past 6 months that weren't reflected in my record yet.  

 

Main thing is dont whine or make excuses in the letter

Who told you this was a good idea? Is it the same person that told you it's a good idea to congratulate promotion selectees before the public release?

[bennynova]

10 hours ago, Spoo said:

Who told you this was a good idea? Is it the same person that told you it's a good idea to congratulate promotion selectees before the public release?

Nope, two different guys. 

[bennynova]

discussion question:

 

 which strat would you rather have on your PRF going into the MAJ to LtCol board?   #1/14 Majs.  or #1/14 FGOs 

 and does the answer change if you are going into the LtCol to Col board?

[Craftsman]

FGO's it shows you are better than Lt.. Col's. in essences it shows a bigger group. They might all be Mai's but the board will see fgo's and it will stick that there were lt cols in that group.


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[pawnman]

1 hour ago, bennynova said:

discussion question:

 

 which strat would you rather have on your PRF going into the MAJ to LtCol board?   #1/14 Majs.  or #1/14 FGOs 

 and does the answer change if you are going into the LtCol to Col board?

Always take the broader category when able.  #1/xx FGO is better than #1/xx Maj or LtCol, even if xx is the same number.

[bennynova]

32 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Always take the broader category when able.  #1/xx FGO is better than #1/xx Maj or LtCol, even if xx is the same number.

I think 1/15 lt cols is better than a "more broad" 1/19 FGOs, but maybe that's just me

I have heard that a strat in your rank is the best you can get.... even a major strat over an FGO strat for instance.  FGO strats are given more to lt col (s) who don't need major strats and aren't really in the mix for lt col strats yet 

 

[BADFNZ]

1 hour ago, bennynova said:

I think 1/15 lt cols is better than a "more broad" 1/19 FGOs, but maybe that's just me

I have heard that a strat in your rank is the best you can get.... even a major strat over an FGO strat for instance.  FGO strats are given more to lt col (s) who don't need major strats and aren't really in the mix for lt col strats yet 

 

Well that's because a 1/15 Lt Col strat doesn't include a lower rank, whereas 1/19 FGOs does.  So it's not just you.

[Weezer]

1 hour ago, bennynova said:

I think 1/15 lt cols is better than a "more broad" 1/19 FGOs, but maybe that's just me

I have heard that a strat in your rank is the best you can get.... even a major strat over an FGO strat for instance.  FGO strats are given more to lt col (s) who don't need major strats and aren't really in the mix for lt col strats yet 

 

I may be stretching, but AFI 36-2406, paragraph 3.16.2.5.5.1 almost implies a hierarchy of strats in its sequence, which seems to support your thought...

3.16.2.5.5.1. Stratification based on peer comparisons: Peers (#1/10 Majors or #1/5 Captains); Peer Group (#1/10 FGOs or #1/10 CGOs); Duty Positions (#1/7 Action Officers, #1/7 Sq/CCs); Aggregate Groups (#1/50 officers in my Group; #1 of my 50 officers; #1 of 50 majors in my 20 years of service); Additional Qualifiers (#1/4 Force Support CGOs; Best Major in my 32 years); Recognition Level (Wing CGO/yr, #1/200). 

[BADFNZ]

But let's be honest, the Maj in question will be flying for Delta in 2 years so who the fuck cares?

[Champ Kind]

5 hours ago, Ho Lee Fuk said:

If you hold the low rank in the group (i.e. Lt in the CGO group, Maj in the FGO group), the strat is stronger if it's against the group because, as stated, it implies that you are outperforming officers of a higher rank.  The opposite is true if you hold the higher rank.  If you're a Lt Col, a Lt Col strat is generally stronger than an FGO strat  .....you're supposed to be outperforming Majors, so using a FGO strat for a Lt Col can give the impression that the rater is trying to make the strat look better by using a larger denominator.  Obviously there are exceptions.....if your rater rates on 10 Majs and you, the Lt Col, the only way he can strat you is in relation to FGOs.

The best strat for a Major is both strats.  A push line that reads "#1/15 Majs; #2/21 FGOs," is a legal, albeit roundabout way, to strat a Major against Lt Col's.  Board members know to read that line as "This guy is the best Major in the squadron, AND he's outperforming 5 out of the 6 Lt Col's in the squadron."  They will probably assume the Lt Col he's ranked behind is the DO if it's not explicitly stated, which it can be.

This.  Depending on where this strat is being placed (PRF or OPR), it could also be beneficial for the rater (or SR in the case of a PRF) to be even more blunt versus making the board "figure it out".  I've seen it worded this way before:  "1/X FGOs, ahead of X Lt Cols...."

[dream big]

10 hours ago, BADFNZ said:

But let's be honest, the Maj in question will be flying for Delta in 2 years so who the cares?

Funniest response I've seen here in a while. 

[BashiChuni]

Nerds

[xaarman]

Question: As a 1x passed over Captain, if they offer me Continuation, and I turn it down, IVSP is not paid out.

If they don't offer me Continuation, IVSP is paid out.

If they don't offer me Continuation, and I request an earlier DOS then the notification + 6 Months, is IVSP still paid out? There's a quip in the continuation reg that talks about it, but it would not apply to me because I never accepted Continuation right?

 

36-3207:

3.4. Officers Who Aren't Selected for Promotion. The DOS for officers not selected for promotion for the sec-ond time to the grade of captain, major, or lieutenant colonel normally falls no later than the last day of the 6th calendar month after the month in which the report of the board that considered them is approved. NOTE: This applies to officers twice not selected for promotion and selected for, but who decline, continuation on active duty.

3.4.1. The officers may request an earlier DOS once they know they weren't selected. 

 

Says below for already continued officers:

7.17. Terms For Involuntary Separation of Selectively Continued Officers. Consider officers for further continuation when continuation ends before an officer enters the retirement sanctuary or becomes eligible to retire. If an officer is not selected for further continuation, they will have at least 6 months notice before involuntary separation or discharge. Involuntarily separate officers who decline further continuation on the expiration of their current contract. If the officers request an earlier date of separation and receive approval under AFI 36-3207, Administrative Separation of Commissioned Officers, then the separation is voluntary and the officer does not receive separation pay. Officers identified for, or serving in a continued status, are subject to separation under other applicable laws and policies. 

 

Gracias!

 

[bennynova]

While I think you are right on all accounts, it doesn't matter

 

 you will either be promoted or you won't be (at which point you will be continued)

 

they arent going to pay to pay you to leave at this point.    So take the 20 year retirement as a captain as a blessing in disguise and go enjoy yourself and your family if you have one.    Or get out and do something better.   But you aren't getting sep pay IMO

[Chromedome]

On 3/3/2017 at 6:06 AM, BashiChuni said:

Nerds

YES!!!

[matmacwc]

Go to the ANG and get promoted, don't stick around to 20 as a captain.  

[Duck]

Ack, need some BO wisdom fast.

If you are in a re-qual program for your MWS, who writes your PRF? Gaining or losing unit? School house?


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