Promotion and PRF Information

[matmacwc]

I'm throwing darts due to an OPR experience, if you haven't checked into new unit, the old one.  You might get hosed

[BADFNZ]

31 minutes ago, Duck said:

Ack, need some BO wisdom fast.

If you are in a re-qual program for your MWS, who writes your PRF? Gaining or losing unit? School house?


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Depends who owns you on the accounting date.  Look it up on myPers for your board.

[Spoo]

Assuming you are TDY enroute or performing duties at the school house while assigned to gaining/losing unit, it will be gaining/losing unit who will write your PRF and it will depend on the accounting date ^.

[Duck]

Thanks guys. I appreciate the knowledge!


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[Duck]

Just to confirm. Twice passed over trumps PCS ADSC correct?


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[xaarman]

Oh yeahhhh

36-2501:

3.10. Effects of Nonselection for Promotion. Generally, officers not selected for promotion to captain through lieutenant colonel for the second time are separated in accordance with AFI 36- 3207, Separating Commissioned Officers, unless they:

3.10.1. Are retirement eligible or within 2 years of qualifying for retirement (i.e., in the sanctuary) as of the mandatory date of separation (DOS) established for officers twice nonselected for promotion by that board.

3.10.2. Are selected for continuation.

3.10.3. Have an earlier established DOS. 

36-3207

3.4. Officers Who Aren't Selected for Promotion. The DOS for officers not selected for promotion for the sec-ond time to the grade of captain, major, or lieutenant colonel normally falls no later than the last day of the 6th calendar month after the month in which the report of the board that considered them is approved. NOTE: This applies to officers twice not selected for promotion and selected for, but who decline, continuation on active duty.

3.4.1. The officers may request an earlier DOS once they know they weren't selected.

3.4.2. The MPF discharges regular officers and releases reserve officers from active duty. 

[bennynova]

most twice passed over will be selectively continued at this point

[Guest]

most twice passed over will be selectively continued at this point

Right, but you can decline continuation, which in turn releases you from any remaining ADSCs.


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[Duck]

Thanks dudes!!!


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[AFmedic]

PRF Stratification Question...this is for a Lt Col BPZ board.  Is a #1 of a smaller denominator better than a #3 or #4 of a larger denominator?  Also, does an FGO strat carry more weight than a CGO strat with a very large denominator?  Below are a few examples....which are stronger?

#1/60 Majors or #4/118 Majors

#1/32 O-4s or  #3/216 CGOs

#4/118 Majs or #5/340 O-4s

[bennynova]

10 hours ago, AFmedic said:

PRF Stratification Question...this is for a Lt Col BPZ board.  Is a #1 of a smaller denominator better than a #3 or #4 of a larger denominator?  Also, does an FGO strat carry more weight than a CGO strat with a very large denominator?  Below are a few examples....which are stronger?

#1/60 Majors or #4/118 Majors

#1/32 O-4s or  #3/216 CGOs

#4/118 Majs or #5/340 O-4s

1/60 is a tad better than #4/118, but both are good

1/32 majors is way better than a cgo strat

5/340 majors is better than 4/118 majors

 

if your prf was full of great cgo strays and no majors strats, then you are in trouble.   Major and fgo strats are a weighted heavily.  

[nsplayr]

Just to be clear...someone would not be up for either #1/32 Majors or #3/216 CGOs, right?

Majors are field grade officers and thus would be compared to other FGOs.

Likely a typo, or am I smokin' dope on this somehow?

Edited March 19, 2017 by nsplayr

[bronxbomber252]

Maybe looking through old records and trying to decide what to put on a PRF?

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

29 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Just to be clear...someone would not be up for either #1/32 Majors or #3/216 CGOs, right?

Majors are field grade officers and thus would be compared to other FGOs.

Likely a typo, or am I smokin' dope on this somehow?

I think he's just picking and choosing strats from his ROP. Nothing states that those 2 strats came from the same OPR and each can make it onto the PRF. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I read it.

[the g-man]

The real question is, how much ADSC will go away for the twice passed-over captain?


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[bennynova]

7 hours ago, the g-man said:

The real question is, how much ADSC will go away for the twice passed-over captain?


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All of it 

[pawnman]

10 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Just to be clear...someone would not be up for either #1/32 Majors or #3/216 CGOs, right?

Majors are field grade officers and thus would be compared to other FGOs.

Likely a typo, or am I smokin' dope on this somehow?

I'm assuming he already has each of those strats on an OPR somewhere and he's building a PRF.

[Herk Driver]

I'm assuming he already has each of those strats on an OPR somewhere and he's building a PRF.

If that's the case he should probably use all of them.


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[bennynova]

9 minutes ago, Herk Driver said:

If that's the case he should probably use all of them.


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Probably deciding which to put first on each line.   

Prfs are already in for LAF lt col board.... if he's talking about lt col to col.... then still same answer, but typically don't see too many cgo strats on one of those (that make it to col)

[bennynova]

Or the medical field board is timed different. 

 

[Guest]

If you take the bonus, and are subsequently 2x passed over for LtCol, if you get out do you have to repay the bonus money?


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[Herk Driver]

Probably deciding which to put first on each line.

Quite possible...

but typically don't see too many cgo strats on one of those (that make it to col)

I would agree but...

Ive seen quite a few that included every #1 or top 5%-ish strat in the record. When the first couple of lines are covered in those and they are all through the career and continuing higher level strats then most people get the picture trying to be painted. I would add that there has to be more including continued top tier job performance throughout that shows that the guy didn't quit along the way.

Every ROP is different and every PRF has to tell that story.



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[Homestar]

1 hour ago, ihtfp06 said:

If you take the bonus, and are subsequently 2x passed over for LtCol, if you get out do you have to repay the bonus money?


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You pay back any "unearned" portion. So, if you get your bonus in August and separate in September you have to pay back 11/12ths of your bonus check. Ideally you would separate just before your bonus pays to avoid the hassle. 

[AFmedic]

18 hours ago, bennynova said:

1/60 is a tad better than #4/118, but both are good

1/32 majors is way better than a cgo strat

5/340 majors is better than 4/118 majors

 

if your prf was full of great cgo strays and no majors strats, then you are in trouble.   Major and fgo strats are a weighted heavily.  

Thanks for the feedback on this and you actually answered my biggest question.  I came into my career field from another branch of service so going into my Lt Col BPZ board, I have great Maj strats as follows...#1/60 Majs, #1/32 O-4s, #5/340 Wg O-4s, and #1/343 Wg O-4s on my push line.  I'm competing with folks who have a stronger CGO record, but not as strong FGO wise.  An example is #1/25 CGOs, #1/30 CGOs, #1/28 CGOs, #4/46 Majs. 

[Vetter]

1 hour ago, AFmedic said:

Thanks for the feedback on this and you actually answered my biggest question.  I came into my career field from another branch of service so going into my Lt Col BPZ board, I have great Maj strats as follows...#1/60 Majs, #1/32 O-4s, #5/340 Wg O-4s, and #1/343 Wg O-4s on my push line.  I'm competing with folks who have a stronger CGO record, but not as strong FGO wise.  An example is #1/25 CGOs, #1/30 CGOs, #1/28 CGOs, #4/46 Majs. 

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