Promotion and PRF Information

[Duck]

Duck, you can be my wingman any day.

Anything for a Devil Dog. Best of luck brother. Get out before Stop Loss hits.


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[matmacwc]

6 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

So that is what is going to likely happen to me, because I didn't do USMC PME, which is a two year program. Does anyone know how Guard units look at that stuff? If it's any help, I have a Master's Degree and will be complete with AF PME - Squadron Officer School, in less than a week.

PM me, I will try.

[Weezer]

Anyone have an idea on how fast the P0517A list is moving?  Rumor was it made it through CJCS a little faster than normal.  Looking to implement further life plans.

[Homestar]

Pin on won't start before January regardless, no?

That said, it would be nice to know which pile my PRF was in sooner than June. 

[Duck]

Is this the last Line Lt Col board that met on 27 Feb 17? They haven't updated the Promotion Status on MyPers since 6 April, but as of 6 April that board had already made it all the way through the AF (CSAF, SAF, etc) and was presumably at the Office of Sec Def sometime later. According to MyPers it takes about 18 working days (3.5 weeks) to get through that wicket and then released. Although they projected a late May, early June release, it seems like it could be as early as the next couple weeks.


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[Weezer]

27 minutes ago, Duck said:

 it seems like it could be as early as the next couple weeks.
 

It seems like it is faster than last year's...that's what I'm hoping.

[daynightindicator]

Pin on won't start before January regardless, no?
That said, it would be nice to know which pile my PRF was in sooner than June. 

Wondering that myself. Increments for the '02 year group should expire in Sep if my math is correct (big if). Wondering if pin on would start in Oct for new FY.


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[Weezer]

DOPMA controls the speed of pin-on (once Senate approved).  I'm pretty sure DOPMA is based on FY, so it's possible to start in October, if previous list is exhausted.  I guess it could be even earlier if their projections for Lt Col end strength at the end of FY17 adjusts downward because of some sort of larger-than-planned exit.

Edited April 28, 2017 by Weezer
Accuracy

[Duck]

DOPMA controls the speed of pin-on (once Senate approved).  I'm pretty sure DOPMA is based on FY, so it's possible to start in October, if previous list is exhausted.  I guess it could be even earlier if their projections for Lt Col end strength at the end of FY17 adjusts downward because of some sort of larger-than-planned exit.

Which is exactly what's happening with the O-4s. By promoting 260+, the list will be exhausted by the end of July. Leaving the 08 guys pinning on in August before the next FY begins.


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[BashiChuni]

but am i in my poll year though?

[GKinnear]

Pin on won't start before January regardless, no?
That said, it would be nice to know which pile my PRF was in sooner than June. 

A buddy in the current crop of O-5 selects said the line numbers were just reduced starting in July...the month he was progged to pin on. Probably drawing it out to Jan 18.

June (ish) is the standard for the past few years for public release dates.

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[flyusaf83]

Can you guys educate me? I'm an 09 guy, which means my board is at the end of this year. I'm sure we will all start pinning on after the 08 guys finish pinning on.

Any ideas on when that will be? 

[bennynova]

33 minutes ago, flyusaf83 said:

Can you guys educate me? I'm an 09 guy, which means my board is at the end of this year. I'm sure we will all start pinning on after the 08 guys finish pinning on.

Any ideas on when that will be? 

LOL

  november of 18.     that's a somewhat WAG, but probably pretty accurate.    you're board meets this December and will be finalized/results public by the end of March 18.    I'd venture that the 17B guys are done pinning on in October 18.

 

[Duck]

LOL
  november of 18.     that's a somewhat WAG, but probably pretty accurate.    you're board meets this December and will be finalized/results public by the end of March 18.    I'd venture that the 17B guys are done pinning on in October 18.
 

I would tend to think May-July 18. The '08 guys will start pinning on in Aug-Sept '17. With the last two year groups exhausting the list in 9 months, I'm thinking '08 will be done by April '18, and the '09 guys start in May '18.

The flood gates are open, O-4 11Xs are bailing faster than anyone in the military as soon as their 12 year purgatory is up. Too far from retirement and too tired to put up with more BS.


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[BADFNZ]

'07 YG Majors should be done pinning on by Aug, so if there is no interruption, '08 dudes should start in Sept.

[Duck]

Has there ever been an interruption, or does it typically just keep flowing? I can't see them taking a month off promoting people with as fast as we are jettisoning Majors. IIRC there was no gap between the '06/'07 groups.


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[bennynova]

Can't recall a gap ever. 

 

[Homestar]

They just slow the increment down. 

[Duck]

They just slow the increment down. 

That's not happening obviously, seeing as the increment went from 180/mo to 261/mo. Lol


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[bennynova]

14 hours ago, Duck said:

I would tend to think May-July 18. The '08 guys will start pinning on in Aug-Sept '17. With the last two year groups exhausting the list in 9 months, I'm thinking '08 will be done by April '18, and the '09 guys start in May '18.

The flood gates are open, O-4 11Xs are bailing faster than anyone in the military as soon as their 12 year purgatory is up. Too far from retirement and too tired to put up with more BS.


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Duck,

   If you have/had such a good record, how'd you manage to get passed over?  What's the secret sauce?

[cantfly]

Since we are discussing year groups, does anyone know the health status of the 2005 year group? My year group has gone through 2 rifs. All of my buddies are gone except one.

People were like you are a shoe in to make Lt Col. I'm like that would be great and all but I now see why people in the 2004 year group bailed prior to pinning on major. Do you want happiness or to be told what to do for 8 more years. Feeling like you have no control over your life and can't tell a person to respectfully f#$@ off.

I am not going to say out right I will not do ACSC to leaderships face. Definitely buy you a 365 in my opinion. Just going to keep kicking the can so if people ask, I will have a legitimate response. I'm tired of school and the AF forcing me to learn things I really don't care about. 

[Duck]

Duck,
   If you have/had such a good record, how'd you manage to get passed over?  What's the secret sauce?

Haven't been passed over yet, I'm an '08 guy anxiously waiting for the board results. I wrote a letter to the board telling them I don't want to play anymore and I am taking my toys and going home.

I promise, I'll tell the raw unfiltered part of the story once I am free. I am currently Fencing-In and waiting for the AF to somehow screw me.

Bennynova, I'll send you a PM with more details.


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[Duck]

Since we are discussing year groups, does anyone know the health status of the 2005 year group? My year group has gone through 2 rifs. All of my buddies are gone except one.
People were like you are a shoe in to make Lt Col. I'm like that would be great and all but I now see why people in the 2004 year group bailed prior to pinning on major. Do you want happiness or to be told what to do for 8 more years. Feeling like you have no control over your life and can't tell a person to respectfully f#$@ off.
I am not going to say out right I will not do ACSC to leaderships face. Definitely buy you a 365 in my opinion. Just going to keep kicking the can so if people ask, I will have a legitimate response. I'm tired of school and the AF forcing me to learn things I really don't care about. 

Yeah, be careful calling the AF's baby ugly (not finishing ACSC). I had a buddy who was indirectly told that if he didn't finish school he was on the next 6-month they could find. He was a bonus taker so he really had no choice.

Your best bet is writing a letter stating you don't want to be promoted (come up with a better reason than F the AF, even if that is true). You won't get involuntary Sep pay (no one is, I promise) but it sets you free from indentured servitude.


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[cantfly]

8 hours ago, Duck said:

Yeah, be careful calling the AF's baby ugly (not finishing ACSC). I had a buddy who was indirectly told that if he didn't finish school he was on the next 6-month they could find. He was a bonus taker so he really had no choice.

Your best bet is writing a letter stating you don't want to be promoted (come up with a better reason than F the AF, even if that is true). You won't get involuntary Sep pay (no one is, I promise) but it sets you free from indentured servitude.


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Don't know if it matters or not but I have 3 short tours under my belt. I have 3 years, 6 months until I can retire in 2020.

Should hit "sanctuary" in November 2018 if what I read about continuation is true. My IPZ for Lt Col will be in 2019. I turned down the bonus so I am pretty sure I'm good to go.

Guess the worst case scenario is the AF could say no one year and some change continuation to 20 years since you didn't do any ACSC. 

Any darts for my COA?

Edited April 30, 2017 by cantfly

[D_Vezencuando]

After the 0517A MLR, someone mentioned SECAF guidance on Year Group role in 2017 boards. Has it been masked (or de-emphasized) to place Above Zones on equal footing? ...thoughts?