Promotion and PRF Information

[Azimuth]

My old boss made it.  I'm sure he was really concerned as he was in the middle of Southwest 737 training...

[budderbar]

When does your "as met" record pop up on PRDA?  Does it actually say "as met"?  I just had a folder pop up today labeled "P0417B" on PRDA and was wondering if that was my as met record for my Majors board.

[olevelo]

It pops up under the name of the board. The O-5 records showed up maybe 3/4 of the way between board start and result release.

Break / Break

Does anyone have the stats broken out by shredout, specifically for 12X?


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[budderbar]

32 minutes ago, olevelo said:

It pops up under the name of the board. The O-5 records showed up maybe 3/4 of the way between board start and result release.


 

Thanks, mine was a sub folder under the name of board. Thanks for confirming. 

Edited May 26, 2017 by budderbar

[Duck]

Yet again more evidence promotions should be separated by AFSC types.

Please stop giving them these ideas... this is your chance to reach escape velocity and separate.


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[dream big]

16 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

Data point: 11M, patch, 11 years in ops squadrons, 1000+ combat hours, clean record, highly effective instructor, NATO staff.....not selected.

Any doubts on what the USAF values?

But was he/she a wing exec!?

UFB

[dream big]

15 hours ago, soupafly06 said:

In all seriousness how are your communities treating passed over O-4s?  Are they the crusty, experienced IPs/EPs dispensing wisdom to the ever increasing inexperienced young 'uns or are they the punching bags picking up every crap detail and 365?  I say this being a passed over dude myself. 

C-130s:  They are shoved in a hole at wing staff or HHQ staff, their experience and knowledge going to waste, while the only IPs/EPs in the squadron are also Flight Commanders, mission commanders and tasked so heavily with non flying related queep that they maybe actually instruct once or twice a month. 

[Guardian]

For the love of......don't take it!

No


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[Homestar]

4 hours ago, dream big said:

But was he/she a wing exec!?

UFB

Wing exec passed over at my base. 

Edited May 26, 2017 by Homestar

[hatedont]

I thought the circus closed down. The AF has made it well known the circus is still alive and well. Support is the clown show and pilots are those rare white tigers living in s#&ty conditions. 

[pawnman]

9 hours ago, olevelo said:

It pops up under the name of the board. The O-5 records showed up maybe 3/4 of the way between board start and result release.

Break / Break

Does anyone have the stats broken out by shredout, specifically for 12X?


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I can tell you that 12B for B-52 was 56%, for B-1 47%.  Overall 12X was 61%.  I've just seen the stats from the FB page our functional started, no idea about the other 12X fields.

[Weezer]

13 hours ago, SurelySerious said:

Yet again more evidence promotions should be separated by AFSC types.

I've got to believe that they take into account floors and ceilings in the promotion board, even if they don't publish it.  If there are 200 rated Lt Col jobs they have to fill, and 800 non-rated ones, then surely they make sure that the cut line includes something greater than 200 rated guy.  Can anyone speak to that?

Then, follow on question:  If you were the rated guy who isn't going to get picked up for rated squadron command, and further advancement means you will probably command a recruiting squadron somewhere or sit on staff the rest of your career, then do you still want to be promoted?

[Weezer]

11 hours ago, budderbar said:

When does your "as met" record pop up on PRDA?  Does it actually say "as met"?  I just had a folder pop up today labeled "P0417B" on PRDA and was wondering if that was my as met record for my Majors board.

Yes.  The P0517A folders showed up three weeks or so before release.

[HeloDude]

35 minutes ago, Weezer said:

I've got to believe that they take into account floors and ceilings in the promotion board, even if they don't publish it.  If there are 200 rated Lt Col jobs they have to fill, and 800 non-rated ones, then surely they make sure that the cut line includes something greater than 200 rated guy.  Can anyone speak to that?

Then, follow on question:  If you were the rated guy who isn't going to get picked up for rated squadron command, and further advancement means you will probably command a recruiting squadron somewhere or sit on staff the rest of your career, then do you still want to be promoted?

The vast majority of rated O-5s not picked up for command are not going to staff.  For example, there's a reason why PIT is full of O-5 non-commanders...

[Weezer]

22 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

The vast majority of rated O-5s not picked up for command are not going to staff.  For example, there's a reason why PIT is full of O-5 non-commanders...

And there's that problem that DOPMA creates:  if you want to keep people in, you have to promote them.  But, militarily speaking, O-5s shouldn't be instructing future IPs...they should be providing their experience on a staff so that everything from personnel policy to logistics to operations don't continue to get screwed up.  But, your most experienced fliers are Lt Cols, so you have to use their experience as rated instructors instead of in a staff billet to take advantage of their operational knowledge to make the Air Force better.  So, you put some non-rated guy (like me) in there who has no idea how to manage rated manpower, or how to plan an air campaign, and you get what we currently have.

[soupafly06]

Maybe I'm just trying to rationalize here but generally, in the RPA world, passed over O-4s become perma line flying IP/EP/Top 3 with generally fewer additional duties.  To me it seems pretty close to the professional pilot path a lot of us have been longing for.  While I will greatly miss the chance to command my own squadron, I for one look forward to not having to play the Air Force's "you should do X if you eventually want to have a chance at doing Y" games anymore.

[Duck]

Maybe I'm just trying to rationalize here but generally, in the RPA world, passed over O-4s become perma line flying IP/EP/Top 3 with generally fewer additional duties.  To me it seems pretty close to the professional pilot path a lot of us have been longing for.  While I will greatly miss the chance to command my own squadron, I for one look forward to not having to play the Air Force's "you should do X if you eventually want to have a chance at doing Y" games anymore.

At least you have the additional 365s to look forward to!


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[bennynova]

Duck,  

   What's your service commitment if you just get promoted normally...

  the two boards are close this year that realistically you could get passed over 2x as early as March of 2018...   

   but being that they are continuing everyone, is there still something in the regs that will relieve you of your ADSC??

Edited May 26, 2017 by bennynova

[Duck]

If all goes according to plan and I am done by March 2018, it will delete 2 years and 2 months off my ADSC. I am expecting continuation, but as long as they don't change the up or out law I can deny continuation and separate NLT 6 months from notification. So barring stop loss or a change in title 10...


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[Fuzz]

17 hours ago, olevelo said:

It pops up under the name of the board. The O-5 records showed up maybe 3/4 of the way between board start and result release.

Break / Break

Does anyone have the stats broken out by shredout, specifically for 12X?


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[Weezer]

On 5/25/2017 at 6:30 PM, Guardian said:

Break 11x's into their own promotion category.
 

You really don't see how that would backfire?

[Weezer]

8 hours ago, Weezer said:

I've got to believe that they take into account floors and ceilings in the promotion board, even if they don't publish it.  If there are 200 rated Lt Col jobs they have to fill, and 800 non-rated ones, then surely they make sure that the cut line includes something greater than 200 rated guy.  Can anyone speak to that?

Then, follow on question:  If you were the rated guy who isn't going to get picked up for rated squadron command, and further advancement means you will probably command a recruiting squadron somewhere or sit on staff the rest of your career, then do you still want to be promoted?

Found it:  from AFI 36-2501 

2.12.3. Information or guidelines on the needs of the Air Force for officers with particular skills (if necessary), including the need for a minimum or maximum number of officers with particular skills in a competitive category. Information or guidelines on officers with particular skills must be furnished to the board as part of the written instructions provided to the board at the time the board is convened. 

[olevelo]

 

Thanks. Although that's useful as well, I was specifically looking for specifics on different 12X, specifically 12M and 12S.


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[17D_guy]

Something interesting in the gender breakdown.  Women selected higher in IPZ/APZ...but not BTZ.

[flyusaf83]

4 hours ago, Weezer said:

You really don't see how that would backfire?

I do worry about this. I don't see separate boards helping the situation.  Really, the AF just needs to promote all pilots, unless an individual has royally F'ed something up.  Young CGOs in my community are seeing non-operators outperforming 11X/12X types.  It's just another reason to get out ASAP. Dudes don't trust the AF to reward them for their choice to stay.