Promotion and PRF Information

[Duck]

93.5 ish percent promotion rate for IPZ

 

  15% of APZ rate

Wow. In the zone is up by almost a percent and Above is down by around 4%.

 

Where did you get the stats from?

 

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[xaarman]

Friends at other bases have the list now. Been a fun 10 years and no regrets, but definitely looking forward to not doing another 10 years. 

Leadership is currently sticking with their no notifications until the 18th timeline, so it's still unofficial, and no words on continuation.

 

 

Edited July 14, 2017 by xaarman
less smarmy

[bennynova]

44 minutes ago, Duck said:

Wow. In the zone is up by almost a percent and Above is down by around 4%.

 

Where did you get the stats from?

 

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Straight from AFPC

[bennynova]

Duck, if you are Asian Pacific Islander or Something other than Caucasian, I can give you more of an ide of your odds.... ;)

 

 

i think you you made it, son.   Sorry

[Bowser36]

On 7/8/2017 at 10:57 PM, LookieRookie said:

No more schools selects on O-4 boards, everyone competes separately. Getting that approved is  what's taking so long for release.

Call me cynical, but I think this change is just an attempt to dangle the carrot longer....instead of knowing at 10 years you're not going to school, now you won't know until 13, where you might be more willing to stick it out to 20.

[Swizzle]

More flexibility could mean more opportunities for balance/corrections in the force (late bloomers)...or over-extending (i.e. delaying decisions or delaying informing members) like a madman could cause falling/failing.

Just-in-time IDE...new buzzword? (JITI) Guess it's already taken....

Either way it's retention of information/power and therefore mother blue is holding her cards closer for longer. That can't be a good thing overall for individuals, but that's good for the gander.

[Chuck17]

1 hour ago, Bowser36 said:

Call me cynical, but I think this change is just an attempt to dangle the carrot longer....instead of knowing at 10 years you're not going to school, now you won't know until 13, where you might be more willing to stick it out to 20.

I think this is a valid point. And you should be skeptical after the terrible track record the USAF has displayed re: personnel decisions over the last ten years. If you are not continually skeptical about bureaucracy, you're a babe in the woods. 

Had the retirement system NOT changed, I'd say that's exactly what this is, disguised as a QOL/Service improvement... which, true, arguably it is.

But don't kid yourselves. The USAF doesn't give a crap about your QOL. There is little difference between this and the change to a ten year post-UPT commitment that happened back in the day - both are designed to get you to the next hook, over the next hump so they keep you till retirement age - or now since we have a new retirement system, keep you through the 'thin years' where dudes bail due to pending staff and non-jet-fying assignments until it's time to do something else.

I will say this - if you are lucky, they send you back, but you're never as good as you were when you were a Captain with a star on your wings. At least Im not... 

Cheers,

Chuck

 

[Runr6730]

From a myPers FAQ sent to our OG today regarding the recent DE selection changes:

Question:  What is the expectation for when officers should complete IDE or SDE by distance learning?

Answer:  Officers should consult with their commander, SR, or mentor on the timing of completing DE.  Additionally, they should seek feedback on their competitiveness to receive a SR nomination to attend in residence. If advised to complete DE via distance learning, then officers should complete it at a time when it is best for them but IDE should be completed before the primary promotion board to LTC and SDE should be completed before the primary promotion board to COL.

 

I like the fact that we're getting rid of school selects during promotion boards, but it sounds like practice bleeding is back with a vengeance!  2 steps forward, 1 step back.

Edited July 14, 2017 by Runr6730

[tkc10chief]

4 hours ago, Runr6730 said:

From a myPers FAQ sent to our OG today regarding the recent DE selection changes:

Question:  What is the expectation for when officers should complete IDE or SDE by distance learning?

Answer:  Officers should consult with their commander, SR, or mentor on the timing of completing DE.  Additionally, they should seek feedback on their competitiveness to receive a SR nomination to attend in residence. If advised to complete DE via distance learning, then officers should complete it at a time when it is best for them but IDE should be completed before the primary promotion board to LTC and SDE should be completed before the primary promotion board to COL.

 

I like the fact that we're getting rid of school selects during promotion boards, but it sounds like practice bleeding is back with a vengeance!  2 steps forward, 1 step back.

I was told yesterday to get it done via correspondence (08 guy). "It can't hurt and until we know more, just get it done"

 

[Bode]

I was told yesterday to get it done via correspondence (08 guy). "It can't hurt and until we know more, just get it done"
 

I see you made it, congrats. I haven't heard anything.


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[BashiChuni]

1 hour ago, tkc10chief said:

I was told yesterday to get it done via correspondence (08 guy). "It can't hurt and until we know more, just get it done"

 

I'm sorry but that is such fcking bull shit. 

What a complete and idiotic waste of time and I won't do it. But then again I'm not on the "path" to greatness 

[Jaded]

Everything that's old is new again. Where's the practice bleeding memo? 

[hispeed7721]

What a complete and idiotic waste of time and I won't do it. But then again I'm not on the "path" to greatness 

This is my exact sentiment, and I've told me Sq/CC as much. I told him point blank that I don't care about school, or anything beyond flying and hacking the mission. Thankfully, he's actually a good leader and supports dudes who don't care about wasting time simply for the sake of wasting time, but also told me not to be surprised if I never promote above Maj. Fine by me.



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[Champ Kind]

26 minutes ago, hispeed7721 said:

 

This is my exact sentiment, and I've told me Sq/CC as much. I told him point blank that I don't care about school, or anything beyond flying and hacking the mission. Thankfully, he's actually a good leader and supports dudes who don't care about wasting time simply for the sake of wasting time, but also told me not to be surprised if I never promote above Maj. Fine by me.



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The problem with that though is one of you will PCS in less than two years and your next boss may not share his sentiments.  Food for thought.

 

FWIW, ACSC BVR is not hard.  It does take some time, though.  You can min-run and be done in about 5-6 months.  Like it or not, not completing it will be tantamount to burning a bridge.

Edited July 14, 2017 by Champ Kind

[Duck]

The problem with that though is one of you will PCS in less than two years and your next boss may not share his sentiments.  Food for thought.
 
FWIW, ACSC BVR is not hard.  It does take some time, though.  You can min-run and be done in about 5-6 months.  Like it or not, not completing it will be tantamount to burning a bridge.

Take heed of this guys. I'm serious. I've seen guys who have said "all I care about is flying, so I'm not gonna finish" surprisingly they ended up not flying for about 8-9 months on a deployment while the ACSC finishers stayed home and flew.


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[BashiChuni]

39 minutes ago, Duck said:

Take heed of this guys. I'm serious. I've seen guys who have said "all I care about is flying, so I'm not gonna finish" surprisingly they ended up not flying for about 8-9 months on a deployment while the ACSC finishers stayed home and flew.


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And that's why I'm hitting the door the day after my commitment is up. 

Fck that idiocy. The Air Force just can't Stop doing stupid shit

its not like we're fighting a fcking two AOR war right now or anything

Edited July 14, 2017 by BashiChuni

[Duck]

And that's why I'm hitting the door the day after my commitment is up. 
Fck that idiocy. The Air Force just can't Stop doing stupid shit
its not like we're fighting a fcking two AOR war right now or anything

My advice is enroll as soon as they let you. That way you can say you started it. Had a buddy do that and it protected him from several bad deals since it made him look like a "team player". He never even finished the first module. Winning...


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[BashiChuni]

Something about doing the right thing and integrity isn't what big blue feeds us?

i say the right thing is to say fck that idiotic waste of time. 

I know I know PYB and all that nonsense. But god damnit I'm fcking sick of it. 

I don't know why but this fires me up haha. 

Edited July 14, 2017 by BashiChuni

[Lord Ratner]

My advice is enroll as soon as they let you. That way you can say you started it. Had a buddy do that and it protected him from several bad deals since it made him look like a "team player". He never even finished the first module. Winning...


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This. Unless you're looking to be a martyr, the best answer is the one where they think you're doing what they want, while you do what you want instead

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[Duck]

Something about doing the right thing and integrity isn't what big blue feeds us?
i say the right thing is to say fck that idiotic waste of time. 
I know I know PYB and all that nonsense. But god damnit I'm fcking sick of it. 
I don't know why but this fires me up haha. 

Why do you think I told my leadership I wanted to be passed over on my first board? Sure there were other reasons, but it was the best way I knew to tell everyone that I didn't want to be apart of it anymore.


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[Blue]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

Something about doing the right thing and integrity isn't what big blue feeds us?

i say the right thing is to say fck that idiotic waste of time. 

I know I know PYB and all that nonsense. But god damnit I'm fcking sick of it. 

I don't know why but this fires me up haha. 

Pick the battles that are big enough to matter, but small enough to win....

[Homestar]

If you haven't been picked up after your second look your SR owes you a no-kidding outlook on if you'll be pushed your third look. If you're #3/5 for your third look you should probably sign up for DL and finish it before your O-5 board.

Practice bleeding for SOS ended because of the dedication to sending 100% in-res. That's just not feasible for ACSC which is basically a Masters program. 

Edited July 14, 2017 by Homestar

[BashiChuni]

 

I'd argue not all 100% of Air Force O-4s should take ACSC in the first place. But again that's probably an unwinnable battle

Edited July 14, 2017 by BashiChuni

[Bender]

This. Unless you're looking to be a martyr, the best answer is the one where they think you're doing what they want, while you do what you want instead

I think that's what they call dynamic followership. AFPC sent some shit to my email about it not that long ago...didn't read it, but I think that was it.

Leadership -> getting people to think what they want is what you want.

Followership -> getting people to think what they want is what you want.

Makes sense,
Bendy


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[17D_guy]

2 hours ago, Bender said:

AFPC sent some shit to my email about it not that long ago...didn't read it, but I think that was it.
 

 

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