Promotion and PRF Information

[Karl Hungus]

1 hour ago, Duck said:

  WTF is going on?

Management is in full-on panic mode.  It's not just pilots who are bailing left and right- anyone with a pulse and a shred of risk tolerance is fleeing this sinking ship as fast as they can.

How's your exit going Duck?  I think you've stated you were looking forward to being twice passed over (and then released from indentured servitude)... has that happened yet?  Would 100% promotion to 0-4 throw a wrench in those plans?  Sucks if that's the case.  Good luck to you.

[Guest]

I just heard a rumor that the next O-4 board in December will be a 100% promotion opportunity. The only people required to submit PRFs are those with DNPs or Ps w/ derogative information.  WTF is going on?

Will this include APZers? That'd be nuts but it would suck for the dudes unlucky enough to commission in the wrong year.

[Duck]

1 minute ago, Karl Hungus said:

Management is in full-on panic mode.  It's not just pilots who are bailing left and right- anyone with a pulse and a shred of risk tolerance is fleeing this sinking ship as fast as they can.

How's your exit going Duck?  I think you've stated you were looking forward to being twice passed over (and then released from indentured servitude)... has that happened yet?  Would 100% promotion to 0-4 throw a wrench in those plans?  Sucks if that's the case.  Good luck to you.

Yeah, this totally throws a wrench in my plans. From what I know they didn't distinguish between APZ and IPZ in the memo passed around. I still submitted my letter, but am a little worried to say the least.

[Breckey]

https://www.afpc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1309786/air-force-announces-100-percent-promotion-opportunity-to-major/

[SurelySerious]

11 minutes ago, Breckey said:

https://www.afpc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1309786/air-force-announces-100-percent-promotion-opportunity-to-major/

"Opportunity"

[zmoney]

1 hour ago, SurelySerious said:

"Opportunity"

I could be wrong, but I think "100% Promotion Opportunity" is how we promote 1st Lieutenants and Captains. In other words, the board meets only to review the records of those who might not be "Fully Qualified"--meaning those who have received a DNP or have a UIF. When everyone meets the board, they're only promoting those who are "Best Qualified."

Bottom line, unless I'm wrong, this means that unless you receive a DNP or have a UIF (or some other unfavorable report), you won't even meet the board--you're promoted.

Edited September 13, 2017 by zmoney
Included (or some other unfavorable report) to my post

[xaarman]

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

[zmoney]

Until I see it from a .mil website, I remain skeptical. 

[BFM this]

It was a .mil website.

...?

[zach braff]

48 minutes ago, zmoney said:

Until I see it from a .mil website, I remain skeptical. 

Check a few posts ago - was direct from AFPC's .mil site.  It's on the main portal now as well. https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1309770/air-force-announces-100-percent-promotion-opportunity-to-major/

[Duck]

It says there is more info on mypers, yet the "link" is not really a link and mypers is silent on the issue last I checked. Great job rolling this pile of $hit out AF.

[zmoney]

14 minutes ago, zach braff said:

Check a few posts ago - was direct from AFPC's .mil site.  It's on the main portal now as well. https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1309770/air-force-announces-100-percent-promotion-opportunity-to-major/

15 minutes ago, BFM this said:

It was a .mil website.

...?

Sure is. I saw a similar post on FB that wasn't on .mil and I confused the two. My mistake. 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2017 by zmoney

[SurelySerious]

1 hour ago, zmoney said:

I could be wrong, but I think "100% Promotion Opportunity" is how we promote 1st Lieutenants and Captains. In other words, the board meets only to review the records of those who might not be "Fully Qualified"--meaning those who have received a DNP or have a UIF. When everyone meets the board, they're only promoting those who are "Best Qualified."

Bottom line, unless I'm wrong, this means that unless you receive a DNP or have a UIF (or some other unfavorable report), you won't even meet the board--you're promoted.

My commentary wasn't on the process itself, but rather that the AF is portraying this as some great thing they're doing for people, when it's a self-induced reaction to the circumstances, and that people who otherwise don't want to get promoted could be voluntold. 

[zmoney]

Just now, SurelySerious said:

My commentary wasn't on the process itself, but rather that the AF is portraying this as some great thing they're doing for people, when it's a self-induced reaction to the circumstances, and that people who otherwise don't want to get promoted could be voluntold. 

I'll drink to that.  

[dream big]

Yes! How many man hours do we waste taking a line flying IP and making him do exec work, all because he "needs it for major/ school select?"  How many man hours does he then waste editing OPRs and PRFs for 0-4? I may be optimistic, but hopefully this news coupled with eliminating school selects means we at least delay the fray of queen that a mid level captain faces allowing them to focus on the mission/ their primary job.

[matmacwc]

21 minutes ago, dream big said:

Yes! How many man hours do we waste taking a line flying IP and making him do exec work, all because he "needs it for major/ school select?"  How many man hours does he then waste editing OPRs and PRFs for 0-4? I may be optimistic, but hopefully this news coupled with eliminating school selects means we at least delay the fray of queen that a mid level captain faces allowing them to focus on the mission/ their primary job.

There will be paperwork for everybody, how else do they justify the school selects or rack and stack.

[Homestar]

I've never had to do anything more than a ribbon chart for a rack and stack.  A lot fewer man-hours involved in that.  And now that Wg/CCs control the process of who attends ACSC in-res it makes sense to simply turn the O-4 board into a rubber stamp for promotion.

O-4 wasn't really competitive anyway.  I want to say my year group to O-4 was 95% promotion rate.  It will be interesting to see how this will affect O-5 promotions 4 years from now.

 

[Hermey]

"smartly reducing administrative burdens on squadron commanders."

Maybe for next year. PRFs were due to the group weeks ago in my corner of the AF....countless Sq man-hours already wasted. I'm sure most Sq's have started...maybe this was announced just in time for some?

Hope it sticks around! PRFs are a waste of time. 

[raimius]

1 hour ago, Duck said:

It says there is more info on mypers, yet the "link" is not really a link and mypers is silent on the issue last I checked. Great job rolling this pile of $hit out AF.

Standard

[Breckey]

In 2013 I had to have a PRF for Captain that was never used, now in 2017 I had to get a PRF for Major together...that won't be used. 

[schokie]

What are they odds they backtrack on this next year just in time for PRFs to be late?

While this is a kick in the balls for folks that have been passed over for O-4 in the past, it's the right thing to do. Of the 5% not being promoted in the past, 2.5% have been good dudes getting hosed by the system. The other 2.5% with negative indicators will continue to be ID'd. But the real win is cutting out the insane amount of queep driven from the group and wing level. Maybe the O-6's will have time to actually leave the office and lead now that they're not stuck wasting time on Major PRFs. 

Second order effect will be the lack of Christmas party planning and masters degrees since no one will be worried about making Major. Young wingman actually have time to study now. 

[Duck]

They will find some other BS to fill your time. Can't have anyone working less than a 60 hour week. We want the taxpayers to get their money's worth.

[olevelo]

What are they odds they backtrack on this next year just in time for PRFs to be late?
While this is a kick in the balls for folks that have been passed over for O-4 in the past, it's the right thing to do. Of the 5% not being promoted in the past, 2.5% have been good dudes getting hosed by the system. The other 2.5% with negative indicators will continue to be ID'd. But the real win is cutting out the insane amount of queep driven from the group and wing level. Maybe the O-6's will have time to actually leave the office and lead now that they're not stuck wasting time on Major PRFs. 
Second order effect will be the lack of Christmas party planning and masters degrees since no one will be worried about making Major. Young wingman actually have time to study now. 

There's nothing in the statements that indicate this will continue next year, much less in the future. For any of the "positives" to come out of this for both the upcoming captains as well as the leadership chain, this can't be announced year to year.

[panchbarnes]

cough *stop loss* cough

CH did warn people a while back...

 

Edited to add:

Snide remarks aside, it's a pretty insulting move to the people who busted their ass to progress to the next level.  Congratulations, for the majority of you folks, it doesn't matter how hard you worked to get that strat, you are no better than the person in the next cubicle over.  The few HPOs know who they are and won't be affected.  What matters is the AF will have plenty of "selects" to send to the various lower tier NAF/MAJCOM/Joint staff billets to appease the screaming commanders, who've had to hire extra contractors, and approve UFRs as stop gap solutions.  At the end, these "selects" will likely not advance to O-5 and be happy to retire as O-4s.  Air Force solves the manning problems it created and everyone is happy.

This is just another example how you and I are just a number in the big blues' eyes.  One solution fits all, which is natural for a large bureaucracy.  It'd be interesting to see the number of people who decline the promotion opportunity and just leave the service.

All I gotta say is the people, civilian or military, who were been involved with Force Management policies since the Debbie James days, needs to be fired immediately.  But we all know that will never happen.  Accountability is not one of our Core Values and is only a theory taught at Maxwell.

Or maybe, they are doing this in anticipation of major event(s) happening throughout the world in the near future...but what do I know?

CH was right all along...

/Rambling off

 

Edited September 14, 2017 by panchbarnes
rambling

[drewpey]

1 hour ago, panchbarnes said:

cough *stop loss* cough

CH did warn people a while back...

 

Edited to add:

Snide remarks aside, it's a pretty insulting move to the people who busted their ass to progress to the next level.  Congratulations, for the majority of you folks, it doesn't matter how hard you worked to get that strat, you are no better than the person in the next cubicle over.  The few HPOs know who they are and won't be affected.  What matters is the AF will have plenty of "selects" to send to the various lower tier NAF/MAJCOM/Joint staff billets to appease the screaming commanders, who've had to hire extra contractors, and approve UFRs as stop gap solutions.  At the end, these "selects" will likely not advance to O-5 and be happy to retire as O-4s.  Air Force solves the manning problems it created and everyone is happy.

This is just another example how you and I are just a number in the big blues' eyes.  One solution fits all, which is natural for a large bureaucracy.  It'd be interesting to see the number of people who decline the promotion opportunity and just leave the service.

All I gotta say is the people, civilian or military, who were been involved with Force Management policies since the Debbie James days, needs to be fired immediately.  But we all know that will never happen.  Accountability is not one of our Core Values and is only a theory taught at Maxwell.

Or maybe, they are doing this in anticipation of major event(s) happening throughout the world in the near future...but what do I know?

CH was right all along...

/Rambling off

 

Is this something to be angry about?  It was already a 90% promote rate, and if you are looking to get a strat you aren't concerned about pinning on, but rather getting a school slot.  This doesn't change that.

Higher promotion rates are better for everyone.  It gives people more flexibility in their careers without getting completely hosed because they didn't follow the expected career path.  Sure old crusties get their panties in a wad because "major used to mean something"...but the more off-ramps the USAF removes on the highway to LtCol the more likely the "flying-only" career path is for guys who just want to fly.  The checking of boxes for career progression (SOS, Masters, Flt/CC, ADO) is the epitome of kabuki theater, and the easier they make it to get promoted the less box-checking we have to deal with.

I for one welcome more FGOs into the court martial duty pool.