Promotion and PRF Information

[17D_guy]

On 9/23/2017 at 2:34 PM, dream big said:

Well, so much for “re-vitalizing the squadrons.”  An unidentified active duty Airlift Wing in Texas’s Wing Commander is still making 09 guys submit PRFs.  My exec bros are in on the weekend to edit the PRFs before his deadline...

He also has a new policy of limiting flying bullets on OPR to two per OPR, even for LTs.  What in the actual F@&$?  

I have to admit I have tried to be optimistic about these new changes, but for those of you who are beyond the point of reproach by the Air Force (Duck), you aren’t wrong.  There are deep rooted cultural issues in the Air Force and the one that upsets me the most is the lack of focus on getting metal in the sky and obsession with OPRs, records and careerism.  

Just send it to JQP, he'll write it up and it'll ruffle some feathers enough something might happen.

[Azimuth]

With that gap between his teeth he looks more like a used car salesman in central Texas.

https://www.dyess.af.mil/Library/Biographies/Display/Article/830836/colonel-stephen-l-hodge/

A career C-17 guy making dumb shit policies in other AMC MDS’s? Standard.

[Champ Kind]

1 hour ago, Azimuth said:

With that gap between his teeth he looks more like a used car salesman in central Texas.

https://www.dyess.af.mil/Library/Biographies/Display/Article/830836/colonel-stephen-l-hodge/

A career C-17 guy making dumb shit policies in other AMC MDS’s? Standard.

Info note:

The link goes to the correct bio, but the link has the name of the previous 317th CC, who was by all rights awesome.  Important distinction as it sounds like this guy couldn't be any further from Haji.

Truly a shame.  A few short years ago, Dyess was the place to be for a true Herk driver and a true hub of innovation.

With all of the SM platforms out there (JQP, Reddit, various "Mentoring" forums on FB), hopefully this shit policy gets some negative attention because it directly contradicts SECAF and CSAF's guidance in making the boards "100%" in order to give people back their time. 

Edited September 25, 2017 by Champ Kind

[matmacwc]

Don't know anything about him or the community, but he was an aide to the vice President, pretty sure his ticket is punched all the way.

[Azimuth]

2 hours ago, Champ Kind said:

Info note:

The link goes to the correct bio, but the link has the name of the previous 317th CC, who was by all rights awesome.  Important distinction as it sounds like this guy couldn't be any further from Haji.

Truly a shame.  A few short years ago, Dyess was the place to be for a true Herk driver and a true hub of innovation.

With all of the SM platforms out there (JQP, Reddit, various "Mentoring" forums on FB), hopefully this shit policy gets some negative attention because it directly contradicts SECAF and CSAF's guidance in making the boards "100%" in order to give people back their time. 

Consider it done.

 

[FUSEPLUG]

This guy was affectionately refered to as “Darth Owens” by some of the folks in the 15th AS when he ran that place. Another fine example of quality AF leadership. 

[panchbarnes]

Am I the only person that is saddened by the fact that social media and public shaming are pretty much the only ways to get the 4-stars to address toxic AF management?

Yeah the IG system is broken and you can't trust anyone to do the right thing anymore. 

What a shit show.

This comment is better reserved for What's wrong with the AF thread.

[Seriously]

3 hours ago, panchbarnes said:

Am I the only person that is saddened by the fact that social media and public shaming are pretty much the only ways to get the 4-stars to address toxic AF management?

Yeah the IG system is broken and you can't trust anyone to do the right thing anymore. 

What a shit show.

This comment is better reserved for What's wrong with the AF thread.

The IG system does seem to be way broken. Way too much good ole boy network and not enough impartial investigations.

[Lord Ratner]

Am I the only person that is saddened by the fact that social media and public shaming are pretty much the only ways to get the 4-stars to address toxic AF management?
Yeah the IG system is broken and you can't trust anyone to do the right thing anymore. 
What a shit show.
This comment is better reserved for What's wrong with the AF thread.

If we can't find enough good leaders to run the wings and squadrons, how exactly will we find IGs who can recognize bad leadership and generals who will stop it?

[Azimuth]

The only IG that's worth a shit is SAF/IG.  If IG manpower at the Wing and MAJCOM level were all consolidated to SAF/IG, thus making SAF/IG the only IG that had the power to investigate, Commanders at all levels would collectively shit their pants when there was an allegation filed.  They wouldn't have control.

[Majestik Møøse]

I'm disappointed that his bio has more than 2 references to being a pilot.

[xaarman]

Allow me to play devils advocate -

There is no rule about being a shitty commander.... the order is both legal and internationally ethical. No Fraud Waste and Abuse is at stake (not counting your time.) What would an IG do with this?

[Azimuth]

24 minutes ago, xaarman said:

Allow me to play devils advocate -

There is no rule about being a shitty commander.... the order is both legal and internationally ethical. No Fraud Waste and Abuse is at stake (not counting your time.) What would an IG do with this?

Actually there is a rule about it, it’s Article 92 (3) Dereliction of Duty.  You’re either willfully or negligently not performing the duty.  Duty can be imposed by a regulation, treaty, statue, lawful order, custom of the service, standard operating procedure, etc.  I can then have other Wing Commanders testify that they aren’t having their wings create PRF’s due to the SECAF and CSAF guidance.  By doing so I’m proving that he had knowledge of the duty by other people holding similar positions.

[Guest]

Actually there is a rule about it, it’s Article 92 (3) Dereliction of Duty.  You’re either willfully or negligently not performing the duty.  Duty can be imposed by a regulation, treaty, statue, lawful order, custom of the service, standard operating procedure, etc.  I can then have other Wing Commanders testify that they aren’t having their wings create PRF’s due to the SECAF and CSAF guidance.  By doing so I’m proving that he had knowledge of the duty by other people holding similar positions.

Seeing as he’s the Wing/CC and will need to determine who to nominate for IDE, who’s to say he’s not doing this to evaluate their records and select the best candidates? Pretty sure that argument would easily hold up against your Dereliction of Duty charges.

[Azimuth]

5 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said:

Seeing as he’s the Wing/CC and will need to determine who to nominate for IDE, who’s to say he’s not doing this to evaluate their records and select the best candidates? Pretty sure that argument would easily hold up against your Dereliction of Duty charges.

Then he would have the burden to show that he’s solely doing it for IDE and not promotion potential.  To counter that I’d just find a bunch of Wing Commander’s who would testify for me (the government) saying they are using different criteria to select for promotion, and possibly IDE, to make show that he might have an different motive.

[Champ Kind]

16 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said:

Seeing as he’s the Wing/CC and will need to determine who to nominate for IDE, who’s to say he’s not doing this to evaluate their records and select the best candidates? Pretty sure that argument would easily hold up against your Dereliction of Duty charges.

Pure speculation and, respectfully, a bad example.  There are other ways to nominate for IDE that don't require the churn of writing a PRF.  Let's also not forget that one has to volunteer for IDE nomination.  

[Guest]

Pure speculation and, respectfully, a bad example.  There are other ways to nominate for IDE that don't require the churn of writing a PRF.  Let's also not forget that one has to volunteer for IDE nomination.  

I’m not defending his actions in the least. Just saying there’s about a 0% chance he gets brought up on charges for or convicted for dereliction of duty.

[panchbarnes]

1 hour ago, xaarman said:

Allow me to play devils advocate -

There is no rule about being a shitty commander.... the order is both legal and internationally ethical. No Fraud Waste and Abuse is at stake (not counting your time.) What would an IG do with this?

My reference to IG was a general statement and not necessarily applicable to the Dyess situation (maybe/maybe not).  It was just depressing reading about this one and the Langley AMXS situation over the weekend.  When you include previously known incidents of AF toxic managers and IG investigation, there is a trend of real changes coming after the stories became viral via social media platforms.

For the amount of time and money the AF pours into leadership development (PME, Phoenix programs, and etc.), social media/public shaming is the only way to get AF's attention.  Now you see people going to social media (for small/big issues) as the first option because of lack of trust.  I suppose this is just the era we live in, but totally not what I had envisioned when I took that first oath.

I hope this clears up my post up a bit, sorry for the confusion.

[Azimuth]

51 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said:

I’m not defending his actions in the least. Just saying there’s about a 0% chance he gets brought up on charges for or convicted for dereliction of duty.

I would say he has a good chance of not having no charges levied against him either, but a 0% chance is not true.  That totally depends on how far a senior Convening Authority wants to go with a potential investigation.  Also JAG’s are really good at making questionable conduct look like unsavory misconduct.

[BFM this]

3 hours ago, xaarman said:

What would an IG do with this?

The Wing/IG?  Nothing: they work for him, although they can (and should) funnel SA building data to him (*cough QoL/Airmen’s time)

The MAJCOM IG on the other hand, could give him some serious headaches at the next capstone.  

Edited September 25, 2017 by BFM this

[MDDieselPilot]

On 9/24/2017 at 3:00 PM, mcbush said:

The first thing I always think of from his Sq/CC days was how much he liked to berate people for walking on his grass. There's about a two foot wide berm between the parking lot and the road in front of the squadron that everybody always walks over because it's a much more direct route than going all the way down to the sidewalk. His office on the second floor overlooked this whole scene perfectly, and he would allegedly spend his days peering down into the parking lot looking for violators. Over the years, many well-meaning dudes and dudettes were summoned into his office and dressed down at attention, most of whom were brand new LTs on their first day in the squadron who didn't recognize the importance of walking around said grass. It always rubbed me the wrong way that their first ten minutes in the "real Air Force," having finally made it through UPT and everything else, was spent getting bitched out by that guy. What a way to welcome somebody to the squadron...

 

I recall talking to a second assignment guy from hickam who said he got ripped his first day walking in the sq.. I always felt bad for him, moving from the best C17 base to that dude's squadron.

After that, I always made a point to walk across their grass anytime I was in the vicinity.

[matmacwc]

We can't walk on the grass?

[SurelySerious]

37 minutes ago, gearpig said:

If there's no grass, there's no problem.

There are more entertaining ways. Maybe that piano burn gets a little out of hand...

Not as inconspicuous, admittedly. 

[Duck]

Question for the masses. I was just told that my WG/CC cannot give me a DNP because I have no negative quality indicators. This was told to the Wing Exec by some civilian chick at AETC HQ who deals with promotions. Is it true that our own O-6 Wing Commanders are neutered to the point that they can’t decide for themselves which box to check on a PRF unless a civilian at higher HQ gives them the green light or is this a load of $hit?

Thanks bros.

[NKAWTG]

40 minutes ago, Duck said:

Question for the masses. I was just told that my WG/CC cannot give me a DNP because I have no negative quality indicators. This was told to the Wing Exec by some civilian chick at AETC HQ who deals with promotions. Is it true that our own O-6 Wing Commanders are neutered to the point that they can’t decide for themselves which box to check on a PRF unless a civilian at higher HQ gives them the green light or is this a load of $hit?

Thanks bros.

I think the Air Force may have checkmated you there Duck.  You fall into the category of should be promoted but don't want to be.  I doubt the Wg/CC is handicapped by AFPC, but the direction might be that a DNP  needs to be backed up by the record.  

The way the system should work now is the Sq/CC documents the performance of the substandard O-3, recommends a DNP to the senior rater, and they need to make the call and send the DNP to the board.  Hard to do now since the "continue to challenge" push lines won't be enough to deny promotion like years past.