Promotion and PRF Information

[LookieRookie]

4 minutes ago, Duck said:

I wish we would all get back on topic and reassure Duck that he will in fact be a twice passed over Capt.

Did you include a bottle with your letter to the board?

[Duck]

Did you include a bottle with your letter to the board?

Nah, but I ended every sentence with a red punctuation mark. i.e. “red dot”.

[bennynova]

This will be an interesting case study, duck.   I think there's a 99% chance you were selected for promotion.  Will they even see your letter?

[Duck]

This will be an interesting case study, duck.   I think there's a 99% chance you were selected for promotion.  Will they even see your letter?

It sounds like the board actually reviewed each record individually, hence the reason it took so long. Hoping for the best but not expecting much.

[flyusaf83]

If this has been discussed, I must have missed it.  Looks like Big Blue is looking at static close-out dates for OPRs just like the EPR change, according to AFPC commander Lt Gen Grosso. Also, she said that OPRs are inflated and that needs to be fixed.  I completely agree, but it’s not a numbers thing since we don’t have the “firewall 5” problem on our OPRs like EPRs.  The inflation is in how we write bullets like everyone is a rock star.  I’m not sure how that gets fixed without getting rid of bullets... which would be awesome.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2017/12/23/new-in-2018-officer-promotion-overhaul-on-the-way/

[pawnman]

10 minutes ago, flyusaf83 said:

If this has been discussed, I must have missed it.  Looks like Big Blue is looking at static close-out dates for OPRs just like the EPR change, according to AFPC commander Lt Gen Grosso. Also, she said that OPRs are inflated and that needs to be fixed.  I completely agree, but it’s not a numbers thing since we don’t have the “firewall 5” problem on our OPRs like EPRs.  The inflation is in how we write bullets like everyone is a rock star.  I’m not sure how that gets fixed without getting rid of bullets... which would be awesome.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2017/12/23/new-in-2018-officer-promotion-overhaul-on-the-way/

I pity the poor exec in a flying squadron when it comes time to close out the captain OPRs.

[Champ Kind]

I pity the poor exec in a flying squadron when it comes time to close out the captain OPRs.

The answer to that lies in the changes to the promotion system. If you don’t need to show in 10 lines on a PRF that you have breadth and depth and are therefore worthy to serve in the next higher grade, then you no longer need 10 bullets of fluff in an annual OPR from which to collect inputs for the PRF.

Now your OPRs can be simplified to:

Does the officer suck? Y/N and a brief narrative why.

Is the officer a rockstar? Y/N and a brief narrative why.

Does the officer adequately perform his duties per standards? Y/N—no further explanation needed.

Do that and break out rated from the LAF category for promotions, and you might just be on to something.

[NKAWTG]

2 hours ago, flyusaf83 said:

If this has been discussed, I must have missed it.  Looks like Big Blue is looking at static close-out dates for OPRs just like the EPR change, according to AFPC commander Lt Gen Grosso. Also, she said that OPRs are inflated and that needs to be fixed.  I completely agree, but it’s not a numbers thing since we don’t have the “firewall 5” problem on our OPRs like EPRs.  The inflation is in how we write bullets like everyone is a rock star.  I’m not sure how that gets fixed without getting rid of bullets... which would be awesome.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2017/12/23/new-in-2018-officer-promotion-overhaul-on-the-way/

Thing is, the bullets we spend so much time writing matter very little.   The strat, (or lack there of) job/staff level push and school push are what count.  Omitting them can't be overcome by well written bullets, or even being good your job.

[di1630]

Thing is, the bullets we spend so much time writing matter very little.   The strat, (or lack there of) job/staff level push and school push are what count.  Omitting them can't be overcome by well written bullets, or even being good your job.

Yep, dudes in reality about your 6 year point you should be able to take stock of your future in the USAF by what type of strats/push you are getting/have gotten.

It pains me to see dudes not realistic with their lack of push at that point and still think they have HPO potential. I see people volunteer for some truly sh-t jobs/deployments/TDY’s thinking it’s the boost they need but in reality they are working twice as hard for half the results.

I’ve seen a few buck the trend and get on the HPO track late but the personal cost was enormous.

This is my experience looking back over 15 years and seeing how peers and subordinates ended up in the long run vs indicators early on.

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, di1630 said:

Yep, dudes in reality about your 6 year point you should be able to take stock of your future in the USAF by what type of strats/push you are getting/have gotten.

It pains me to see dudes not realistic with their lack of push at that point and still think they have HPO potential. I see people volunteer for some truly sh-t jobs/deployments/TDY’s thinking it’s the boost they need but in reality they are working twice as hard for half the results.

I’ve seen a few buck the trend and get on the HPO track late but the personal cost was enormous.

This is my experience looking back over 15 years and seeing how peers and subordinates ended up in the long run vs indicators early on.

Shack!

however, the sad thing is folks aren't mentored on that reality early enough and after "truly sh-t jobs/deployments/TDY’s thinking it’s the boost they need" they end up on the back end of their careers, mad at the world that they never got to that unreachable goal.

 

[pawnman]

8 hours ago, NKAWTG said:

Thing is, the bullets we spend so much time writing matter very little.   The strat, (or lack there of) job/staff level push and school push are what count.  Omitting them can't be overcome by well written bullets, or even being good your job.

Maybe we should stop writing so many bullets?

[bennynova]

Like some have mentioned, strats are overinflated.  Everyone is #1/something

each squadron seems to have 8 different stray categories and everyone looks great

 

  the only real way to tell someone apart is to see who has the actual #1/rank strat.    Static closeouts would help this out.    But the band aid being ripped off would hurt. 

[17D_guy]

4 hours ago, di1630 said:

Yep, dudes in reality about your 6 year point you should be able to take stock of your future in the USAF by what type of strats/push you are getting/have gotten.

Even then there's a lack of feedback to allow people to make informed decisions. 

Never strat'd below 2 in any assignment.  I rx'd a wing strat (5/380) at my last base at the 6 yr mark.  Come to staff (sold as a "good job to get in Ops community"), no strat on last OPR despite running (and being recognized for) several DoD level programs, and CGOTY for div, blah blah blah.  Not selected by recent DT for a leadership position which I'd openly been asked about by the Generals where I wanted to go.  

Absolutely zero feedback about OPR, or future.  Actually, that's not true, I was told first that "someone didn't take care of me" and then I didn't have enough high level strats, so it was inappropriate to get a NAF strat yet.

Motherfuckers think I'm inclined to have a "all others" kinda career, they're sorely mistaken.

[Sprkt69]

5 hours ago, di1630 said:

Yep, dudes in reality about your 6 year point you should be able to take stock of your future in the USAF by what type of strats/push you are getting/have gotten.

It pains me to see dudes not realistic with their lack of push at that point and still think they have HPO potential. I see people volunteer for some truly sh-t jobs/deployments/TDY’s thinking it’s the boost they need but in reality they are working twice as hard for half the results.

I’ve seen a few buck the trend and get on the HPO track late but the personal cost was enormous.

This is my experience looking back over 15 years and seeing how peers and subordinates ended up in the long run vs indicators early on.

Isn’t that what the AF desires? A bunch of people trying to be the next CSAF regardless of everything else

[di1630]

Isn’t that what the AF desires? A bunch of people trying to be the next CSAF regardless of everything else

The best interest of the USAF is to have everyone slugging it out giving 169% because they think they have a shot at being the MFWIC someday.

It works in a lot of cases. I know guys who have been repeatedly denied entry onto the HPO track yet they keep begging for their beatings.

Imagine if OPR’s were honest...dudes would be jumping ship even more often when they realize they aren’t going anywhere early on.

[sqwatch]

Even then there's a lack of feedback to allow people to make informed decisions. 
Never strat'd below 2 in any assignment.  I rx'd a wing strat (5/380) at my last base at the 6 yr mark.  Come to staff (sold as a "good job to get in Ops community"), no strat on last OPR despite running (and being recognized for) several DoD level programs, and CGOTY for div, blah blah blah.  Not selected by recent DT for a leadership position which I'd openly been asked about by the Generals where I wanted to go.  
Absolutely zero feedback about OPR, or future.  Actually, that's not true, I was told first that "someone didn't take care of me" and then I didn't have enough high level strats, so it was inappropriate to get a NAF strat yet.
Motherers think I'm inclined to have a "all others" kinda career, they're sorely mistaken.

What will we do without you?

[17D_guy]

1 hour ago, sqwatch said:

What will we do without you?

Keeping on.  What's it going to do without all these pilots?  Already offered my AFSC a bonus because retention sucks.

Point was about the lack of feedback.

[Steve C]

11 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

 

Motherfuckers think I'm inclined to have a "all others" kinda career, they're sorely mistaken.

What's an all others kinda career?

[HU&W]

27 minutes ago, Steve C said:

What's an all others kinda career?

It's when you're not one of the chosen, but you haven't realized that the only winning move is not to play.

[Clark Griswold]

...
Imagine if OPR’s were honest...dudes would be jumping ship even more often when they realize they aren’t going anywhere early on.

Not unlikely but the cure for that is to officially end golden boy / favored son programs / positions (exec and other such suckling jobs) and have the first 6 years or so of everyone’s careers be direct duties performance appraisal with leadership potential only judged around the 8 year point.

O-3 and below should be / is focused on operational proficiency / tactical leadership.
That has a strong rated view to it as other non rated officers primary function is leadership from the get go but that again leads to separate ratings / promotions for rated and non rated to address that.

[Duck]

Any 09 guys “as met” records show up on PRDA yet?

[flyusaf83]

I just heard a rumor that the Majors board results won’t come out until March.

How does it take 4 months to release results of a board that didn’t include PRFs and will only look at cases of candidates with negative indicators?

 

[08Dawg]

14 minutes ago, flyusaf83 said:

I just heard a rumor that the Majors board results won’t come out until March.

How does it take 4 months to release results of a board that didn’t include PRFs and will only look at cases of candidates with negative indicators?

 

The list still has to go through all the wickets.  SecDef office, Congress, etc. 

[cragspider]

1 hour ago, flyusaf83 said:

I just heard a rumor that the Majors board results won’t come out until March.

How does it take 4 months to release results of a board that didn’t include PRFs and will only look at cases of candidates with negative indicators?

 

It’s showing mid to late March on mypers.  It’s only 3 months from when the board finished. Until they start rolling it back like the 06 guys results then I really wouldn’t worry about it right now. But it still has to go through the wickets.

[Duck]

I just heard a rumor that the Majors board results won’t come out until March.
How does it take 4 months to release results of a board that didn’t include PRFs and will only look at cases of candidates with negative indicators?
 

Yeah it shows mid March on mypers just wondering when the documents the board saw will be posted to PRDA under the Board section. My last board record was posted about 2 weeks or so after the board met if I remember correctly.