Promotion and PRF Information

[Duck]

Did they post the stats yet?

[Goblin]

Did they post the stats yet?

Haven’t seen em

[The_Vandall]

2 hours ago, Duck said:

Did they post the stats yet?

Yup.  It's out on RAW.  Labeled as 17B (it'll open to 17D once the spreadsheet pops up).

[FUSEPLUG]

On 6/19/2018 at 1:29 PM, Guardian said:

I say we meet for Duck’s separation party and let a super drinkoff tournament ensue until no one remembers who won and we have a good time.

Let us know the day and time of said party.  I probably won't be there but there's a $50-spot on the GoFundMe for it.  Crowdsource it if that's a more palatable term.  Either way, I'd like to contribute.

Promotion parties in my Guard unit are seemingly non-existent so I'm all for a de-promotion party.

[HarleyQuinn]

Can anyone confirm the PRF light is being turned back on for the next majors board? I'm talking P0418D I believe. My Wing is telling us to write them. The PRF cookie monster returns.

[pawnman]

30 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

Can anyone confirm the PRF light is being turned back on for the next majors board? I'm talking P0418D I believe. My Wing is telling us to write them. The PRF cookie monster returns.

Hard to say. Wings told the last group to write them as well.

[flyusaf83]

30 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Hard to say. Wings told the last group to write them as well.

I say, have them written!  Why pass up an opportunity to churn out more queep as an exercise in true AF leadership.  I have found that squadron/group/wing execs and CSS personnel are far too focused on things like flying, personal lives, and spending time with their families.  They need the PRF practice.

Then, after the PRFs are completed by every management level, burn them to the ground. Maybe we should instead just trust the wing commanders.  PRFs are unnecessary waste, and our top managers can use some bullets saying they saved man hours, even though said man hours have already been spent on the burned PRFs.  Screw it. Engineer the bullets for our time-saving overlords anyway and earn them another star!

Then, the board can completely disregard the wing commanders. Damn. Those PRFs would have been useful since we now have to sift through thousands of records because we have decided that a faceless board of bureaucrats is a vastly better entity to judge an officer than a silly local commander.  In any case, since we burned the PRFs and don’t trust commanders, we have to review the records for 6-9 stimulating months.  But hey - extra queep for management!  Im convinced this practice queep makes us a more lethal Air Force. Everyone wins!

 

[Seriously]

37 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Hard to say. Wings told the last group to write them as well.

The order to not write PRFs on the last board came after all the PRFs were at the group level.

[HarleyQuinn]

So we need a leader to step up, say F the PRF queep, and take an "L" for us all?

[HU&W]

PRFs should have four lines for the senior rater to fill out.

1.  This candidate meets all eligibility requirements for promotion.  YES/NO  (no requires mandatory comment)

2.  I have reviewed this candidates record and found no derogatory information.  YES/NO (no is mandatory comment)

3.  Strat.  My #______/________ for this board.

4.  DP/P/DNP

Everything else the PRF communicates is already captured in the promotion record.

[17D_guy]

8 hours ago, HU&W said:

3.  Strat.  My #______/________ for this board.

Whoa, but is it of AFSC, FGO's/CGO's, ## year group, (insert other meaningless denominator)

[bennynova]

9 minutes ago, 17D_guy said:

Whoa, but is it of AFSC, FGO's/CGO's, ## year group, (insert other meaningless denominator)

Eligibles 

[HarleyQuinn]

Can someone explain the logic behind forcing someone to submit a PRF knowing damn well they plan on retiring or separating? I keep getting asked are you ready for retirement? I respond, "Why yes, yes I am." It's a waste of peoples time to submit a PRF for Lt Col when you obviously don't care about promotion. If they took away the ACSC via correspondence requirement, I might consider the possibility. I thought about writing a letter like Duck did to the promotion board, but with some flare added. 

Promotion Board,

"I feel bullied by my Wing and Group CCs because of having to write a mandatory PRF when I have other plans with my life. If officers don't want to be O-5s, just look in a mirror as to the reason why."

In today's AF, your feelings and being bullied matters. LoL

[slackline]

Can someone explain the logic behind forcing someone to submit a PRF knowing damn well they plan on retiring or separating? I keep getting asked are you ready for retirement? I respond, "Why yes, yes I am." It's a waste of peoples time to submit a PRF for Lt Col when you obviously don't care about promotion. If they took away the ACSC via correspondence requirement, I might consider the possibility. I thought about writing a letter like Duck did to the promotion board, but with some flare added. 

Promotion Board,

"I feel bullied by my Wing and Group CCs because of having to write a mandatory PRF when I have other plans with my life. If officers don't want to be O-5s, just look in a mirror as to the reason why."

In today's AF, your feelings and being bullied matters. LoL

If I were your CC, I'd tell you to simply not do it. What's the worst they could do to you? You're right, it makes no sense and you shouldn't waste your time. In your shoes, I would ignore it. You shouldn't be writing your own PRF anyway, so just call them on it!

[ImNotARobot]

Can someone explain the logic behind forcing someone to submit a PRF knowing damn well they plan on retiring or separating? I keep getting asked are you ready for retirement? I respond, "Why yes, yes I am." It's a waste of peoples time to submit a PRF for Lt Col when you obviously don't care about promotion. If they took away the ACSC via correspondence requirement, I might consider the possibility. I thought about writing a letter like Duck did to the promotion board, but with some flare added. 
Promotion Board,
"I feel bullied by my Wing and Group CCs because of having to write a mandatory PRF when I have other plans with my life. If officers don't want to be O-5s, just look in a mirror as to the reason why."
In today's AF, your feelings and being bullied matters. LoL

I know with an approved Date of Sep and still meeting promo board timing, the Wg submitted a blank PRF with no recommendation. This was 3 yrs ago though, not sure how it would work in the sweet new system.

[ThreeHoler]

Can someone explain the logic behind forcing someone to submit a PRF knowing damn well they plan on retiring or separating? I keep getting asked are you ready for retirement? I respond, "Why yes, yes I am." It's a waste of peoples time to submit a PRF for Lt Col when you obviously don't care about promotion. If they took away the ACSC via correspondence requirement, I might consider the possibility. I thought about writing a letter like Duck did to the promotion board, but with some flare added. 
Promotion Board,
"I feel bullied by my Wing and Group CCs because of having to write a mandatory PRF when I have other plans with my life. If officers don't want to be O-5s, just look in a mirror as to the reason why."
In today's AF, your feelings and being bullied matters. LoL

You sound really ing whiny.

[HarleyQuinn]

3 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

 

You sound really ing whiny.

 

Relax, I was joking here "I feel bullied by my Wing and Group CCs because of having to write a mandatory PRF when I have other plans with my life. In today's AF, your feelings and being bullied matters. LoL"

[disgruntledemployee]

Its not that hard. Besides, your not supposed to write your PRF. As I was retiring, I told execs nay to the PRF inputs, when fired right back that they would do it as ordered. I recommeded blank out of the unit.  It worked... for about a week.  I told execs to be very creative and have lots of fun.  It was a keeper and proud of the cheekiness displayed.  The one liner that the HHQ sent up was hilarious in that they misused "there" ilo "their record." 

For final OPR, it was less than 6 months and I didnt care and convinced the chain that I didnt want one. That way when they try to non-vol unretire me, they'll see the glitch which will overload, trip, and hang up the machine till it tosses me aside and moves on. 

Ahh, good ol days

Out

[HarleyQuinn]

So nobody has any gouge on whether or not PRFs will be required for the next LAF majors board?

[dream big]

15 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

So nobody has any gouge on whether or not PRFs will be required for the next LAF majors board?

None at this nook of the circus.  See how much of a clown show the 09 board was? Expect similar incompetency! Most likely your leadership will have you write them anyways awaiting further guidance.  

[FourFans]

Was anyone else a little surprised by the stats on RAW?

[The_Vandall]

4 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

Was anyone else a little surprised by the stats on RAW?

The stats make sense to me.  The AF stated that they were going to use a 100% promotion "opportunity", and the numbers pretty much reflect folks having had a 100% opportunity.  I would imagine that the only folks that did not promote would be those that a.) were submitted as "Do Not Promote", b.) asked to not be promoted, or c.) had significant Quality Force Indicators (QFI).  Overall, only 4.3% of Captains that met the board (38 IPZ and 77 APZ) did not get selected for promotion.  Furthermore, as someone above posted, some folks that had QFI may still have a chance to be selected for promotion, pending a review by the SecAF or other entities. 

[Breckey]

There were only 2 pilots IPZ that weren’t promoted. That one got me.

[ThreeHoler]

DNPs are not included in the RAW numbers.

[The_Vandall]

35 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

DNPs are not included in the RAW numbers.

Dang!  Good to know!