Promotion and PRF Information

[billy pilgrim]

Well no IPZ luck here.  11F on third ops tour.  Not stellar records but not bad either (strats, OEF, DG, awards etc..).  Time to get smart on the guard and airlines - glad I had enough SA to avoid the bonus.

[Ash]

11 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

Well, the USAF gave me its second thanks, but no thanks for O-5.  Not that I expected much, but it was a last chance for big blue to plant a seed of hope that they see the light.  I guess the pilot problem isn’t bad enough to need to give high time IPs hour a reason to stay.

My morale is gunna be pretty darn good...with delta, or southwest, or fedex, or...

 

Data point for the masses: clean record, 3300 hrs, MWS Pilot WO, JDAL staff complete...never touched the HPO track.  

This is what the USAF does not want: professional combat expertise.

 

Palace front (hopefully) in 16 months.  Apparently I have to avoid a BIS to keep my 20 year retirement viable.

What do you mean 'avoid a Break in Service to keep your retirement?'

[soupafly06]

Promotion stats are out on AFPC.  IPZ and APZ select rates with a P went down while BPZ rates went up.  Good news for HPOs but sucks for the rest of us working stiffs.

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, billy pilgrim said:

Well no IPZ luck here.  11F on third ops tour.  Not stellar records but not bad either (strats, OEF, DG, awards etc..).  Time to get smart on the guard and airlines - glad I had enough SA to avoid the bonus.

It's too bad we don't have a pilot shortage or anything.  All these excess pilots just make it really hard to compete at promotion boards...

[MDDieselPilot]

13 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

@FourFans130 go get scrolled now. It takes ~6 months. It is the single best thing you can do right now. The second best thing is to find a unit (many) willing to waive your 2x passed over-ness.


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How big a deal is that waiver? I'm guessing if a unit really wants you it makes the waiver less of an issue..

[cragspider]

Is there a public link out yet? I’m not at work so I can’t check it the normal way. 

[Swizzle]

2 hours ago, soupafly06 said:

Promotion stats are out on AFPC.  IPZ and APZ select rates with a P went down while BPZ rates went up.  Good news for HPOs but sucks for the rest of us working stiffs.

Link? I don't see it posted on www.afpc.af.mil

Or do you mean on RAW?

 

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[KingGuy]

1 hour ago, MDDieselPilot said:

How big a deal is that waiver? I'm guessing if a unit really wants you it makes the waiver less of an issue..

As of last August (2017), that waiver is only required by the Guard, not reserve. 

I’m told difficulty to get it depends more on cost of training and benefit to the unit, ie do they have to pay for a full qualification in a new jet v current and qualified, are you filling a full time v traditional slot, how many years do they see you working in the unit. 

The concern is that you’ll transition, then get passed over again twice and now you’re out of the guard/ reserve too. Unless something unforeseable like a pilot shortage or something happens...

[hindsight2020]

The retirement gouge is wrong. If you're a guy with a commissioning date before 06 You re a legacy guy, you don't get forced into BRS. that initial entry into military date doesn't change with a break in service. The only guys affected are those who had the choice to opt in, did so, then left the military. With a break in service you don't get a do over on the opt in if you decide to come back. You re auto enrolled. If you never did enroll, you don't get auto enrolled even as a post 06 guy. Only initial entry guys of 18 and beyond are. 

[soupafly06]

3 hours ago, Swizzle said:

Link? I don't see it posted on www.afpc.af.mil

Or do you mean on RAW?

 

Sorry for bad gouge but yeah it's available in RAW.

[olevelo]

Sorry for bad gouge but yeah it's available in RAW.

I was going to ask the same thing. Can someone take screenshots or something? I don’t have NIPR access for the next 3 years, and RAW isn’t available on the neutered AFPC Secure. I could always ask someone else to email it but figure there’s a bunch of other folks on here who would like to see.


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[olevelo]

Was anyone on the critical skills list but only continued to 20 instead of 24? I can’t tell if they just screwed up the paperwork, or if the board actually screwed up.


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[MDDieselPilot]

Pretty sure no issue with posting this.. let me know if there is.

 

[Skitzo]

How many Senior Raters are there? The low select rate makes it seem like you essentially need the “if I had one more DP” push to make it with a P.

 

 

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[bennynova]

On 10/5/2018 at 1:39 PM, olevelo said:

Apparently the rated shortage isn’t as bad as they make it seem. And we only need Majors.


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Talk to your DP.  They may have made a mistake.  They generate those letters, etc

[olevelo]

Pretty sure no issue with posting this.. let me know if there is.
 

Thanks. Can you post the APZ version of image 3?


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[olevelo]

Talk to your DP.  They may have made a mistake.  They generate those letters, etc

By DP I assume you mean MPF. I did and they think they did it right. They said to talk to AFPC.


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[MDDieselPilot]

[olevelo]

Thanks, you rock! I’m surprised APZ was worse this year than last. You’d really think when you’re short on people you would promote more. Guess they have a different plan.


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[bennynova]

All the “good records” of APZ (multiples years worth) were promoted last year, so I’d expect it to go down some.   

[olevelo]

All the “good records” of APZ (multiples years worth) were promoted last year, so I’d expect it to go down some.   

True. But you still have the problem of the SR’s who still think APZ’s can’t be promoted so they don’t give them any push at all.


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[Bigred]

IDE? Is that the pro military education at ACSC?

[ItnStln]

On 10/9/2018 at 10:52 PM, ThreeHoler said:

@FourFans130 go get scrolled now. It takes ~6 months. It is the single best thing you can do right now. The second best thing is to find a unit (many) willing to waive your 2x passed over-ness.


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What is getting scrolled?

[Chida]

Scrolled=get your name on the list (scroll) that goes to Congress for Reserve commission approval.

It used to be that the MPF would just give you a reserve commission based on converting your Regular commission, if you had one, or if not, then you obviously were a reserve officer on EAD and thus already had a reserve commission. Around the 2006 timeframe, all officers on EAD had their commissions converted from reserve to regular. And then the SECDEF came out with a policy that Regular officers had to get congressional approval to pick up a reserve commission if they transfer from the Active component to a Reserve component.

Congress signs the scroll every quarter. So you need to get with an in-service reserve or guard recruiter to get your name on the scroll as soon as possible because it could take ~4 months for you to be approved for a reserve commission. I don't know how long the scroll is valid, but that should be step 1 for anyone who is about to separate. Once you are scrolled, you can separate and activate your reserve commission the next day and thus have no break in service.

Why do you care about avoiding a break in service? The main reason for a 2x passed over regular officer is promotion. The rules state that to meet a board, you must have at least 1 year of continuous service (regular list and reserve active status list). So if you have a break in service when you switch to ARC, you will not meet the next promotion board in the ARC which occurs in the following year, which means your board will be your 2nd year in the reserve (because you will then have had 1 year of continuous service on the reserve active status list).

BLAB (bottom line at the bottom): scroll now or you will get less money.

[ItnStln]

29 minutes ago, Chida said:

Scrolled=get your name on the list (scroll) that goes to Congress for Reserve commission approval.

It used to be that the MPF would just give you a reserve commission based on converting your Regular commission, if you had one, or if not, then you obviously were a reserve officer on EAD and thus already had a reserve commission. Around the 2006 timeframe, all officers on EAD had their commissions converted from reserve to regular. And then the SECDEF came out with a policy that Regular officers had to get congressional approval to pick up a reserve commission if they transfer from the Active component to a Reserve component.

Congress signs the scroll every quarter. So you need to get with an in-service reserve or guard recruiter to get your name on the scroll as soon as possible because it could take ~4 months for you to be approved for a reserve commission. I don't know how long the scroll is valid, but that should be step 1 for anyone who is about to separate. Once you are scrolled, you can separate and activate your reserve commission the next day and thus have no break in service.

Why do you care about avoiding a break in service? The main reason for a 2x passed over regular officer is promotion. The rules state that to meet a board, you must have at least 1 year of continuous service (regular list and reserve active status list). So if you have a break in service when you switch to ARC, you will not meet the next promotion board in the ARC which occurs in the following year, which means your board will be your 2nd year in the reserve (because you will then have had 1 year of continuous service on the reserve active status list).

BLAB (bottom line at the bottom): scroll now or you will get less money.

Thanks!