Promotion and PRF Information

[bennynova]

I forsee me being 1/1 IPZ (I hope i’m That high) for consideration, and thus #1/6 ish overall in the O4 rank (if they are playing the game correctly)..... but to me, that doesn’t say much and isn’t comparable to organizations with multiple IPZ to consider....

Edited May 7, 2019 by bennynova

[ThreeHoler]

I expect to be #n/n-1 I/APZ.


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[bennynova]

27 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

I expect to be #n/n-1 I/APZ.


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Hmmm....

[Shazaam]

I have a bud who was #1 of whatever FGOs while deployed. I was the #1 CGO. That strat propelled him to Lt Col in the eyes of his boss who was a Colonel I believe. Now he is a full bird. He just got hit with a 365 at his HQs job. I'm was like no thanks bro.

Another bud just pinned on Lt Col in November. His deployment window opens in July. I told him to be ready for that 365. His longest deployment was 2 months his entire career.

ACSC + 365 = Iraq👎

Edited May 8, 2019 by Shazaam

[ThreeHoler]

Hmmm....

You’re right. #n+1/n makes way more sense! My bad.

[guineapigfury]

I know someone who got one of those (n+1)/n strats.  He earned it.

[Jetpilot]

For those who are at school or have been at school - just heard that official guidance states all PRFs are required to be re-written.  Memo with details coming out soon.

Edited May 8, 2019 by Jetpilot

[Shazaam]

2 hours ago, Jetpilot said:

For those who are at school or have been at school - just heard that official guidance states all PRFs are required to be re-written.  Memo with details coming out soon.

Is that good or bad?

BREAK BREAK

In my little corner of the AF, I didn't think DOs should compete for quarterly awards because they don't in flying squadrons. Until my CC made me submit a package after being on station for 5 months. I was going to defy my CC and not submit one, but she didn't forget. You compete against other DOs period in the Group and Wing. I was like game on after learning that information.

Just put it to you guys this way. Nothing like looking the WG/CC in the face to accept an award after he had to give you a "P" (only eligible in Wing) and you refuse to do ACSC.  My Chief who is a damn beast told me to walk up there and wait for the award before my name was called as the winner. I wasn't going to do that and give the wings a bad name. People already hate on us enough. But damn, you got to love a Chief with balls! 

Edited May 8, 2019 by Shazaam

[Duck]

Is that good or bad?
BREAK BREAK
In my little corner of the AF, I didn't think DOs should compete for quarterly awards because they don't in flying squadrons. Until my CC made me submit a package after being on station for 5 months. I was going to defy my CC and not submit one, but she didn't forget. You compete against other DOs period in the Group and Wing. I was like game on after learning that information.
Just put it to you guys this way. Nothing like looking the WG/CC in the face to accept an award after he had to give you a "P" (only eligible in Wing) and you refuse to do ACSC.  My Chief who is a damn beast told me to walk up there and wait for the award before my name was called as the winner. I wasn't going to do that and give the wings a bad name. People already hate on us enough. But damn, you got to love a Chief with balls! 

If he had to give you a P because you were the only eligible, why the heartburn towards the Wg/CC? Lots of people have refused to do ACSC now a days.


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[bennynova]

Agree.  1/1 without a DP to give is not your Wg/CCs fault.   My only hope is aggregated up to the NAF level 

[Jetpilot]

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Shazaam said:

Is that good or bad?

 

I would say bad.  

[Shazaam]

2 hours ago, Duck said:

If he had to give you a P because you were the only eligible, why the heartburn towards the Wg/CC? Lots of people have refused to do ACSC now a days.


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I'm not angry at the guy. He hasn't done anything to me at all. I just said I got to look him in the face for the second time since receiving my PRF.

Now, I have never seen a WG/CC have all award nominees do push ups after a ceremony. People complain about Wing PT. Him barking orders and not doing the exercises. I don't have to go so it doesn't bother me. We did a Wing exercise and it was just him trying to get his star. It was pointless and people who never deploy trying to run the show. There must have been some flyers bravado circulating because lots of the names submitted to participate had already PCS'd. Most people didn't show up anyway. Too many Chief's, and not enough indians was a complaint as well. You are not going to storm or take any ground in the AF while deployed, but they did it. 

I did get to speak to my WG/CC boss who is a Maj Gen during a TDY. I was in the room with other leaders and didn't even ask about my WG/CC. I was discussing training and changing course for what we are doing to prepare personnel for the next conflict. The Maj Gen said I need to get someone in there who shares my vision and said my WG/CCs name. Shots fired! I almost died.

Edited May 8, 2019 by Shazaam

[pawnman]

37 minutes ago, bennynova said:

Agree.  1/1 without a DP to give is not your Wg/CCs fault.   My only hope is aggregated up to the NAF level 

Same.  I got a P because there were only two IPZ officers in my year group on the base.

[celtic020]

Just got the guidance for those needing an N-O En route to school.  You can’t get stratted by promotion zone but you can get stratted by peer group.   In other words, N-O PRFs will only have one strat, not 2.  Additionally, for those already at school, guidance has been sent for those to be rewritten.   

[GKinnear]

4 hours ago, Shazaam said:

Words

Is this guy for real?

[pawnman]

14 minutes ago, GKinnear said:

Is this guy for real?

Seems like a story calculated to impress, but it's actually full of shit.

"My WG/CC gave me a P, but then he had to shake my hand because I won an award.  Then the MAJCOM/CC said I was one of his best officers and said my WG/CC was a doofus.  Then everyone clapped"

[ThreeHoler]

Seems like a story calculated to impress, but it's actually full of shit.
"My WG/CC gave me a P, but then he had to shake my hand because I won an award.  Then the MAJCOM/CC said I was one of his best officers and said my WG/CC was a doofus.  Then everyone clapped"

Same poster as the banned HarleyQuinn account. Same weird ing rants. Do a search.

[BashiChuni]

This thread is lame AF 

[DirkDiggler]

2 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

 

Same poster as the banned HarleyQuinn account. Same weird ing rants. Do a search.

 

How long do you think it’ll be before the really psychotic threatening posts start?

[Guest]

Post about how you completed ACSC and you deserve to be promoted with a P over everyone else in 3...2...1.

Post when you get passed over for not doing ACSC.


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[panchbarnes]

41 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said:

Post when you get passed over for not doing ACSC.


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What makes you think he won't get picked up?  He was told explicitly by his SQ/CC, who happens to a really good friend of HAF/A1, to not worry it.  And who runs the promotion boards?  AFPC and HAF/A1!  Hello???

Additionally, he has a  Wg strat #1/1 *AND* he is the Wg DO of the qtr.  His records should place him at the bottom of the top 10% eligibles.  I am willing to bet he got the Super P as well..

[MechGov]

This thread is lame AF 

It’s reminding me why I took a hiatus from this forum.

[pawnman]

Well, in an effort to get us back to promotion boards...

I sat through the Webinar on Officer Instructor and Recruiting Special Duty.  Cliff notes:

CSAF intends to give guidance to promotion boards to give special consideration to instructor and recruiting duty, starting next year.  Specifically, formal instruction - being an instructor in a line squadron doesn't count, but being an FTU or UPT instructor will.

They're doing boards to select people for recruiting, ROTC, USAFA, OTS, and Air University positions.  Window opened back on April 9th and closes May 24th.  If you don't want to compete, you can click a box that says "I don't intend to compete"...but your Senior Rater still has the ability to push you to the board.

Senior Raters will be required to pony up 15% of eligible officers (1Lt to Lt Col with 12 months on station).  However, they can subtract T-coded officers from their total before nominating.  The example they gave was two SRs with 140 officers.  SR A has no T-codes - he nominates 21 officers.  SR B has 40 T-codes - 140-40 = 100.  15% of 100 is 15 officers.

They intend to open these positions, on a limited basis, to rated officers.  There are 500 total positions across the Air Force.  50 will go to rated officers, including ROTC instructor duty (not necessarily Det/CC).  You MUST be through your first gate to be seriously considered (96 months).

Finally, if you want to compete for Det/CC, you need to have at least a line number to Lt Col.  You must be pinned on prior to taking over the Det, typically late July/early August.

So, looks like my ROTC rant was just because I was a year ahead of my time.

 

Edited May 9, 2019 by pawnman

[Shazaam]

"When your promotion system mirrors more aspects of a socialistic jobs program than a capitalist performance for promotion, you are undoubtedly going to have issues and ultimately promote those looking to stick it out for the secure paycheck rather than competency." A young captain wrote this statement. Thoughts?

Edited May 9, 2019 by Shazaam

[Homestar]

23 minutes ago, pawnman said:

 However, they can subtract T-coded officers from their total before nominating.   

 

So is it fair to say that UPT pilots won’t get wrapped up in this since they’re all T-coded? I mean, it could be fun to sunset tour at a ROTC det, but I’d just as soon keep flying.