pawnman Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, bennynova said: I don’t agree with the super Ps because they aren’t equal a super P from someone with only 2 ipz eligibles isn’t the same as a super P from someone with 100 eligibles. also, devils advocate, but pawnman was 2/2 IPZ eligibles with a 75% promotion rate. The 2/8 eligibles included 6 APZ guys, which doesn’t equate to 75% of the eligibles. Not much I could have done to increase the number of IPZ. If the WG/CC had enough officers IPZ to give #1 a DP before the MLR, maybe I would have got one at the MLR. Hard to say.
bennynova Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 Yeah, I’m 1/1 IPZ next year for mine. The struggle is real
BashiChuni Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 56 minutes ago, pawnman said: I'm kind of over it. I'll let y'all know what AFPC and the WG/CC say, but I've made my peace with being a major out to 22 years then retirement. good for you pawnman. know your worth and don't let AFPC determine how you should feel about your honorable service. after retirement no one will care and you wont either...stings right now im sure, but you'll be just fine long run!
BashiChuni Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Danger41 said: How the fuck does that not get promoted. 2
pawnman Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, BashiChuni said: good for you pawnman. know your worth and don't let AFPC determine how you should feel about your honorable service. after retirement no one will care and you wont either...stings right now im sure, but you'll be just fine long run! We've got our fair share of Iron Majors in the B-1. I'd say 95% are highly respected instructors, with years of experience. Almost all are in the same boat as me...too valuable to let out of the community, not valuable enough to promote. Almost every Lt Col in our community is someone who left the community in one capacity or another. Maybe I should have volunteered for an ALO slot instead of notching it.
frog Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 8 hours ago, pawnman said: As promised, here's a PRF that will NOT get you promoted. I have not talked to AFPC or the WG/CC yet, so further analysis pending. No judging here...just curious. Did you complete ACSC or have any negative indicators? Barring anything unusual, I really hope this is a fluke and you get picked up next year. It seems to be a case study that they should examine regarding what needs to be fixed.
pawnman Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, frog said: No judging here...just curious. Did you complete ACSC or have any negative indicators? Barring anything unusual, I really hope this is a fluke and you get picked up next year. It seems to be a case study that they should examine regarding what needs to be fixed. ACSC complete, only negative indicator is that I've never left the community to do staff, never did instructor duty at PCola, never went ALO, and I didn't DG from SOS. I even did a Master's, before they were masked on the board. No LORs, no failed PT tests, no Q-2 or Q-3 check rides. Edited July 20, 2019 by pawnman 1 1
pawnman Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 7 hours ago, bennynova said: Pawnman how many of the 8 I/apz were Lt Col selects? No idea. At least five APZ were not selects, the one other IPZ got picked up on this board.
Skippy Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 I shake my head at this whole process. It’s broken and will be screwed up for years. We have done this to ourselves by sending mediocrity to personnel positions and allowing a CC core function to be subjected to this nonsense. You seem like a good O. Get the heck out and get a guard (not reserve) gig to finish. You can make your mark somewhere else that appreciates your ability and dedication. Don’t screw around trying to save it in the same environment. Maybe look at an AGR gig to finish. There’s a lot of options out there...and they are not a step down.
panchbarnes Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 2 hours ago, pawnman said: ACSC complete, only negative indicator is that I've never left the community to do staff, instructor duty at PCola, and I didn't DG from SOS. I even did a Master's, before they were masked on the board. No LORs, no failed PT tests, no Q-2 or Q-3 check rides. For flyers on the VML. Does your commander strat you in their ADP comments to the assignment team?
pawnman Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 59 minutes ago, brabus said: Doesn’t Dyess have a reserve unit? Run!!! Took the devil's money back when everyone and their brother was telling me I'd definitely get promoted. Committed to 2027. After that I plan to retire fully, not look for a Guard or Reserve job. Quote For flyers on the VML. Does your commander strat you in their ADP comments to the assignment team? Talent Marketplace now, the losing commander gets some comments that we can't see. Hasn't been applicable to me in the last four VMLs, because I was removed. "Too critical to lose you from the FTU". 1
MooseClub Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 3 hours ago, pawnman said: Took the devil's money back when everyone and their brother was telling me I'd definitely get promoted. Committed to 2027. If you’re passed over again next year you’ll have the option to decline continuation. I’m not saying...just saying! Gotta pay back any “unearned” portion of your bonus of course. Options are nice to have
FLEA Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 4 hours ago, pawnman said: Took the devil's money back when everyone and their brother was telling me I'd definitely get promoted. Committed to 2027. After that I plan to retire fully, not look for a Guard or Reserve job. Talent Marketplace now, the losing commander gets some comments that we can't see. Hasn't been applicable to me in the last four VMLs, because I was removed. "Too critical to lose you from the FTU". I thought the whole point of TM was to make things more transparent and remove commander comments a member couldnt see?
pawnman Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 2 hours ago, MooseClub said: If you’re passed over again next year you’ll have the option to decline continuation. I’m not saying...just saying! Gotta pay back any “unearned” portion of your bonus of course. Options are nice to have Ours was a mandatory half up front. And I don't have $60k laying around to buy my way out of active duty. Plus, in all honesty, I like my job, I like my jet, I like my coworkers. Sure, Big Blue took a dump on my career. But that doesn't mean I want to leave my current situation. I especially don't want to go ART and lose one weekend a month while still working during the week.
hindsight2020 Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, pawnman said: Ours was a mandatory half up front. And I don't have $60k laying around to buy my way out of active duty. Plus, in all honesty, I like my job, I like my jet, I like my coworkers. Sure, Big Blue took a dump on my career. But that doesn't mean I want to leave my current situation. I especially don't want to go ART and lose one weekend a month while still working during the week. No comment on the money. That's your business how you run your personal finances. As to the ART, can't believe they're still peddling that crap over an AGR, especially in this hiring environment. 307th clownshow standard. I see not much has changed since I left that dumpster fire.
bennynova Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 If someone has 15 years in, is it ever worth it to go AGR and delay your retirement by 16+ years? I understand not wanting to deploy and being sick of that aspect, but The benefit isn’t clear to me 1
brabus Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 You’re not delaying your retirement. If you take 5 years of AGR orders after punching at 15, you can retire at 20 years and 0 days with a full AD retirement. So the question is, why the fuck would anybody stay in AD if they had the aforementioned option available. Now if you don’t go AGR and just do traditional guard, you can get 20 “good guard years,” which delays retirement benefits until 59, 60...something like that. Perhaps that’s what you’re thinking of.
bennynova Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 Yeah, thanks. Not many active duty guys are aware of this AGR option..... how do we we learn more? I did not know that the option existed.
HeloDude Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 23 hours ago, pawnman said: Only two officers in my year group. He didn't have ANY DPs and had to get one at the MLR for the #1 guy. IMO your SR was speeding on your PRF. If your SR only had 2 IPZ and no DPs to give then the #1 guy's push would have said something like "If I had a DP to give then it would be automatic". Your SR then competed at the MLR and got him a DP. So your SR stating "If I had one more DP to give" is speeding since your SR never had a DP to give in the fist place. The good news is the fact that your SR was trying to help you out...but I'm curious what your PRF (and the #1 guy's) looked like when it went up to the MLR. Usually SRs call each other out on that stuff. I would have to look at your top 2 or 3 OPRs to get better insight. I would say you were definitely on the cusp and it sucks the luck was not on your side. How many MSMs do you have? As for the rest, I think you pretty much nailed it: Not being on a staff and the lack of FGO strats hurt. Good on you for having a positive attitude. When you meet with your SR ask if there's anything you can do to get one of his DPs next year/be his #1 push at the MLR...his answer should tell you a lot. Good luck. 1
pawnman Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 1 hour ago, HeloDude said: IMO your SR was speeding on your PRF. If your SR only had 2 IPZ and no DPs to give then the #1 guy's push would have said something like "If I had a DP to give then it would be automatic". Your SR then competed at the MLR and got him a DP. So your SR stating "If I had one more DP to give" is speeding since your SR never had a DP to give in the fist place. The good news is the fact that your SR was trying to help you out...but I'm curious what your PRF (and the #1 guy's) looked like when it went up to the MLR. Usually SRs call each other out on that stuff. I would have to look at your top 2 or 3 OPRs to get better insight. I would say you were definitely on the cusp and it sucks the luck was not on your side. How many MSMs do you have? As for the rest, I think you pretty much nailed it: Not being on a staff and the lack of FGO strats hurt. Good on you for having a positive attitude. When you meet with your SR ask if there's anything you can do to get one of his DPs next year/be his #1 push at the MLR...his answer should tell you a lot. Good luck. Two MSMs. Top two OPRs are the strongest ones, where I got the FGO/Maj strats.
bennynova Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 Duty titles could have mattered a bit too in this case Ever a flt cc? Ado? Absolutely great that you were stratted high the past 3 oprs, that should be all that matters 1
pawnman Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 35 minutes ago, bennynova said: Duty titles could have mattered a bit too in this case Ever a flt cc? Ado? Absolutely great that you were stratted high the past 3 oprs, that should be all that matters Flt/CC yes, ADO no. I think that's probably part of the problem as well...I went from shop chief to flight commander at my ops squadron, then the FTU made me a flight commander followed by shop chief, then I went to OGV. So that probably didn't do me any favors either.
brabus Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 3 hours ago, bennynova said: Yeah, thanks. Not many active duty guys are aware of this AGR option..... how do we we learn more? I did not know that the option existed. Big picture is Title 10/Title 32 are AD orders. AGR is generally Title 32, but deployments and some schools (maybe some staff) is Title 10. Either way, these are AD “days” that go towards an AD retirement. As soon as you have 20 years of AD “days,” you are eligible for retirement and immediate retirement benefits (vs. waiting like a traditional guard retirement). Keep in mind, some squadrons are handing out years of AGR orders like candy, others are not. So where you want to live/what unit you want to be in could be on either side of that. 1
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