Promotion and PRF Information

[Guest nsplayr]

  On 7/13/2020 at 6:47 PM, FLEA said:

I think his point was there is a difference between "joint" and "Joint". I've heard similar, that less than 1% of officers will get vectors for JCS, other joint staffs like a sub unified command or COCOM are not as highly viewed. 

When people say you want to shoot for Joint they often confuse this but they mean you need to shoot for big J, not little J. Commanders use the same language on push lines. If joint is written lower case its an indicator to the reader. 

Anyway, not a commander and not on the path, so just repeating what I've heard. 

I've also heard In certain communities staff in general is rare and having any staff is a definite positive anymore, even if just NAF or MAJCOM. 

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I'd rather smoke a "joint" while holding the rank of "Mr." than deal with any of the bullshit above haha.

[BFM this]

  On 7/13/2020 at 6:47 PM, FLEA said:

If joint is written lower case its an indicator to the reader. 

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Reason #369 why I’m so glad to no longer be traveling with the circus.

...small j vs big J?  WTaF?  The very definition of dodging valid feedback.

[CaptainMorgan]

  On 7/14/2020 at 12:48 AM, BFM this said:

Reason #369 why I’m so glad to no longer be traveling with the circus.
...small j vs big J?  WTaF?  The very definition of dodging valid feedback.

Joint or JCS means Pentagon. joint means a COCOM.


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[SurelySerious]

  On 7/15/2020 at 3:48 PM, CaptainMorgan said:

Joint or JCS means Pentagon. joint means a COCOM.


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No, no. We get that. He’s questioning the lunacy of it all. 

[hindsight2020]

Since when did O-4 AD retirement become such an indignity? Don't answer that, I'm being rhetorical (as a career reservist enroute to one 😄). 

#winning #atleastihavechicken

 

Edited July 15, 2020 by hindsight2020

[celtic020]

P520 LAF O-5 As Met records are now showing in PRDA.  Hopefully that means a public release is on the horizon...

[VariEze]

  On 7/21/2020 at 3:57 PM, celtic020 said:

P520 LAF O-5 As Met records are now showing in PRDA.  Hopefully that means a public release is on the horizon...

My J1 told me today release now delayed until end of Aug. something about the Congress part.


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[celtic020]

  On 8/6/2020 at 1:47 AM, VariEze said:

My J1 told me today release now delayed until end of Aug. something about the Congress part.


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In that case, end of August may be optimistic 

[ImNotARobot]

The release for that board has been in the 3rd week of August for the last two years. I’m talking about the AFRC O-5 board; apologies if you guys are talking about Active Duty.

[pawnman]

  On 8/6/2020 at 1:47 AM, VariEze said:

My J1 told me today release now delayed until end of Aug. something about the Congress part.


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MyPers is still showing the status as "Air Staff".  Still has to clear SECAF, SECDEF, and Congress.  I'd be amazed if that happens by the end of August.

Edited August 6, 2020 by pawnman

[Bigred]

  On 8/6/2020 at 3:25 AM, pawnman said:

MyPers is still showing the status as "Air Staff".  Still has to clear SECAF, SECDEF, and Congress.  I'd be amazed if that happens by the end of August.

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Pretty sure the select message comes out prior to Senate confirmation. No one can actually pin on O-5 until the list is confirmed. 

[Bigred]

Just looked at the tracker, updated 7 Aug. Still sitting at SECAF level. Taking a swag, but I wonder if it was held up to let the new CSAF approve the list.

[celtic020]

  On 8/8/2020 at 6:52 AM, Bigred said:

Just looked at the tracker, updated 7 Aug. Still sitting at SECAF level. Taking a swag, but I wonder if it was held up to let the new CSAF approve the list.

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No inside baseball but its unusual for a board to sit this long in between reviewing bodies, especially with the As Met available in PRDA.  Normally, the As Met is dropped into PRDA about 3/4 of the timeline between board and public release.  At this rate, we're looking at late September release.  I believe first pin-on month for this board should be November.  

Edited August 10, 2020 by celtic020

[spike]

Can anyone with staff experience weigh in on what exactly happens with these promotion lists?  I find it hard to believe folks would be added/dropped from a promotion list that was chaired by 06 and flag officers. And if that's not the case why all the delays?  

[CaptainMorgan]

  On 8/10/2020 at 3:08 PM, spike said:

Can anyone with staff experience weigh in on what exactly happens with these promotion lists?  I find it hard to believe folks would be added/dropped from a promotion list that was chaired by 06 and flag officers. And if that's not the case why all the delays?  

They’re probably deciding on a new, lower promote rate due to COVID.


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[NKAWTG]

  On 8/10/2020 at 3:34 PM, CaptainMorgan said:

They’re probably deciding on a new, lower promote rate due to COVID.


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With all the deferred retirements due to COVID, would they lower the promotion rate, or slow the pin on rate to keep under the cap?

[pawnman]

  On 8/8/2020 at 6:52 AM, Bigred said:

Just looked at the tracker, updated 7 Aug. Still sitting at SECAF level. Taking a swag, but I wonder if it was held up to let the new CSAF approve the list.

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Are you looking at a different tracker than me?  I just looked at the status of boards on MyPers and it still says it's with the Air Staff.  Last updated June 19.

[celtic020]

  On 8/10/2020 at 4:48 PM, pawnman said:

Are you looking at a different tracker than me?  I just looked at the status of boards on MyPers and it still says it's with the Air Staff.  Last updated June 19.

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Probably both looking at the same tracker.  19June is the last time the board results moved through a wicket.  7August is the top line date on the MYPERS document indicating that, indeed, things are moving slowly.  

[Bigred]

  On 8/10/2020 at 4:54 PM, celtic020 said:

Probably both looking at the same tracker.  19June is the last time the board results moved through a wicket.  7August is the top line date on the MYPERS document indicating that, indeed, things are moving slowly.  

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Yup, last movement was 19 June, last day checked for myPers was 7 August. 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Bigred

[Jetpilot]

Things seem to be going...swimmingly. 

[BigWing]

I'm beginning to wonder if its being held up for a reason. With the changes that were made to the promotion system this year coupled with the short notice board "via correspondence" construct I wouldn't be surprised if they're a) taking extra time to make sure the results  look in line with what would be expected based on records, or b) already found that they aren't and are trying to figure out what to do next. Just a hunch, but there were a lot of seemingly rushed changes this time around. 

Edited August 13, 2020 by BigWing
Corrected incorrect info

[14N Guy]

  On 8/10/2020 at 3:34 PM, CaptainMorgan said:

They’re probably deciding on a new, lower promote rate due to COVID.


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The AF finds new ways to screw me! Thanks Obama!

[panchbarnes]

  On 8/10/2020 at 3:34 PM, CaptainMorgan said:

They’re probably deciding on a new, lower promote rate due to COVID.
 

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Doubt this is a valid statement since the Army just released their O6 list after Duckworth's hold.

However, been hearing rumbling of funny stuff with end of year funding and GS employees are anticipating mass early retirements (due to funding) come next summer.

[14N Guy]

  On 8/11/2020 at 4:52 PM, panchbarnes said:

Doubt this is a valid statement since the Army just released their O6 list after Duckworth's hold.

However, been hearing rumbling of funny stuff with end of year funding and GS employees are anticipating mass early retirements (due to funding) come next summer.

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Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but why would an increase in GS retirements impact the O-5 (or any) promotion numbers?

Edited August 12, 2020 by 14N Guy

[Richard_Butte]

Has anyone heard anything about PRFs for O-4 this year? I heard nothing, now i'm hearing back to a 2 liner...my OG seems to be prepping folks to get a 2 line PRF together but nothing official has been published.