Promotion and PRF Information

[bennynova]

59 minutes ago, ArcticGator said:

Are records at a promotion board evaluated in a random order? Are you grouped with the rest of your Senior Raters ratees? Are the records anonymous or can the board members see your name?

i don't know the answers to most, if any of these first hand. 

  learjetter sat on a board.   perhaps he'd divulge.

 

 i have heard that the packages are divided up into 3-5 groups, and only your group usually scores/sees your package.    i am unsure if all pilots are in same group vs all maintainers in another, etc etc. 

[Learjetter]

Are records at a promotion board evaluated in a random order? Are you grouped with the rest of your Senior Raters ratees? Are the records anonymous or can the board members see your name?

The records are randomized. Not grouped by SR, or rating. Each panel of 5 colonels has rated and non rated officers on it, and sees both rated and non rated records in the line catagory. Panels read the whole record, including your name.

[Hot Sauce Hoy]

Learjetter, how do board members know if you are IPZ or APZ? Is there a code somewhere on the PRF?  I only see the box checked I/APZ. What tells them what year group you are in?  Do they have to look at the dates on DQHB?

[Guest]

From what I understand, the instructions to the board were to pay no regard to B/I/APZ on this most recent cycle. This instruction was probably followed, as the #1 line number on this Major's board was 6APZ!

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[Learjetter]

I didn't really care if the records were IPZ or APZ. To find out would require careful looking for clues in the DQHB and various dates in the record. If the board instructions were to disregard zone, then you can bet no one looked for the clues.

[disgruntledemployee]

19 hours ago, Hot Sauce Hoy said:

Learjetter, how do board members know if you are IPZ or APZ? Is there a code somewhere on the PRF?  I only see the box checked I/APZ. What tells them what year group you are in?  Do they have to look at the dates on DQHB?

//startsarcasm// Everyone in the zone has OPRs starting around the same time.  The guy at 3 APZ has a few more I think.  //endsarcasm//

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[Newspaper]

22 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:

From what I understand, the instructions to the board were to pay no regard to B/I/APZ on this most recent cycle. This instruction was probably followed, as the #1 line number on this Major's board was 6APZ!

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You are joking I hope.

[jazzdude]

You are joking I hope.

My DO knows the guy, evidently he did some pretty crazy good work recently that was recognized on the last board

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[Guest]

You are joking I hope.

Not at all.

[FlyinGrunt]

We had a guy 5APZ get it for O-4 this last one. His line number was 4, I believe.

[Flyingnut]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the main factor in computing line number the total time you had that rank on? So it would seem logical apz's would be promoted first and ipz's last?

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[ThreeHoler]

Line number has no relation to the rack and stack on the board. There is a formula in an AFI.

[bennynova]

On March 12, 2016 at 10:07 PM, C17Driver said:

It's based on pool size.

Line number is all about time in grade

tyoically OTS guys commissioning in Jan - May will have the first 300-500 line numbers.   

 

Zoomies will have the next 900

rotc and OTS will out the rest based on their month they commisioned

 

ATZ guys will always pin on first and BTZ always last

 

 

 

[Guest]

The Academy DG was around ~290 this year, IIRC

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[BADFNZ]

Any more rumors of the '08 board being moved up to this Fall?  Haven't heard or read anything besides what was posted on here.

[bennynova]

What significance does academy DG being 290 have??

 

they are still behind the OTS guys from Jan - May, correct?   

[pawnman]

5 hours ago, bennynova said:

What significance does academy DG being 290 have??

 

they are still behind the OTS guys from Jan - May, correct?   

Yes, but after that, all the USAFA grad line numbers for the same year are in class-rank order.  DG is the first of his/her USAFA class to promote, and so on.  

[ThreeHoler]

DG is 10% of the graduating class. That is still around 90 people that have to be sorted. There is a huge formula that includes stuff like digits of your SSN to figure out line numbers.

[Guest]

DG is 10% of the graduating class. That is still around 90 people that have to be sorted. There is a huge formula that includes stuff like digits of your SSN to figure out line numbers.

Wrong. Academy grads get their line number based on Rank Order of Merit.

[sqwatch]

Wrong. Academy grads get their line number based on Rank Order of Merit.

Yup.

From mypers: criteria applied in order-

1 current grade dor

2 previous grade dor

3 total active federal commissioned service

4 total federal commissioned service

5 regular officers preceding reserve officers

6 regular Air Force acceptance date

7 grads of service academies, appointed as regular officers and assigned the same dor, on the active duty list in order if class standing

8 date of birth

9 reverse social security number with lowest taking precedence.

[ThreeHoler]

Cool. Just what I've been saying dickwads. There is not 1 DG. There are 10% of the graduating class and yes, it is in rank order. Thank you for looking up the formula.

[drewpey]

Some PRF-related wisdom from the inbox

You Are Not BTZ.pdf

[Guest]

Some PRF-related wisdom from the inbox

You Are Not BTZ.pdf

Southwest.com "You may not be BTZ, but you'll make more money and have more fun doing it." Sadly (gladly for them), that's where the Air Force's true HPOs are going.

[daynightindicator]

Some PRF-related wisdom from the inbox

You Are Not BTZ.pdf

This is a great read and extremely accurate. Young guys should take heed.

I'll add (from my position as an on-time non-HPO guy myself) a few of my personal observations...

In my little corner of the CAF, in the past few years I've noticed a possible pendulum swing in a favorable direction. I know a few on-timers currently serving as OG/CCs, and just recently have seen a few on-time dudes get hired as SQ/CCs over some BTZers. These were seen as surprising moves and in each case the dude chosen has a great rep as a solid bro who is well respected in the jet. None were career CCEs and in one case not even a school guy. On the other hand, the BTZers that were not hired had crappy reps as careerists and were not respected in the jet. I think this is a sign of leadership possibly realizing that performance, reputation, and demonstrated combat leadership abilities outweigh the box-check/pedigree method that was always seen as the standard for advancement.

The best advice I ever received was from my flight commander when I showed up at my first ops squadron. "You should strive to be the guy that people want to be on the flight schedule with - to do that you need to be good in the jet. After that, be good at your ground job, and then be good in the bar - in that order."

My experience is that if you work hard to be respected by your peers and subordinates, good leaders will notice and build their impression of you from those actions. Crappy leaders may not see that and you'll probably have a few of those. Treat them like threats - avoid if possible, if not minimize time in their MEZ and move on, pressing the attack on priority targets.

Timing and luck are mostly out of your control, but if you keep your head down and press you'll maximize your chances of being in the right place at the right time when the phone rings at 2AM.

[ArcticGator]

Anyone know how long it takes for your "selection board" folder that met the board to show up on PRDA? I can view my 2 and 1 BPZ. The board met about a month and a half ago.