Promotion and PRF Information

[ThreeHoler]

Anyone know how long it takes for your "selection board" folder that met the board to show up on PRDA? I can view my 2 and 1 BPZ. The board met about a month and a half ago.

Same day as public release.

[Muscle2002]

Same day as public release.

Last year, I was able to see my selection folder in PRDA about two weeks after getting my PRF back from the SR.

[ThreeHoler]

There is the "selection" folder that is available pre-board...you use that one to verify everything in your record is correct.

The "board" folder lower down is the "as-met" and is not available until public release. It will have everything the board saw.

[Muscle2002]

There is the "selection" folder that is available pre-board...you use that one to verify everything in your record is correct.

The "board" folder lower down is the "as-met" and is not available until public release. It will have everything the board saw.

Gotcha.

[Hot Sauce Hoy]

So how does the scoring system at a promotion board work?  Everyone starts with a 7.5...then does a DP add a certain number of points?  Is there actually specific guidance in the scoring or is it simply board member overall judgement and they all use their own scoring system to assign a score to the record?

[ArcticGator]

I believe last years Lt Col board results were released on 9 June. Last thing I saw on MyPers is saying mid to late June for P0516B. Anyone hear anything else?

[Ghostin]

AFPC just updated the guidance - results will be out 9 June.

https://gum-crm.csd.disa.mil/ci/fattach/get/5690028/1464293532/redirect/1/filename/Status-of-boards-Major-Col.pdf

[RaggedEd]

Hey all, I recently failed my PT test as a Lt at UPT. Already got my assignment and graduated, just waiting to start follow on training. Hadn't stayed on top of things as a stud, and when I graduated I hit the gym pretty hard leading up to the fitness test. Showed up to the test sore (dumb), and cramped up on the sit-ups and subsequently failed by two. I'm reading that this is a pretty serious mistake. What's the typical outcome from this? I was pretty much told "don't sweat it just don't let it happen again" but it seems like this can end a career. 

[Chromedome]

I'm not sure how it will affect you while you are in training, it might affect your training report.  Failing the test isn't good though.  If you get the reputation of the guy that sucks at PT, it will definetly affect they way your leadership looks at you.  You really need to knock the PT Test out of the water the next time around and not ever fail again.  One of my buddies is a C-130 pilot at hurlburt and he failed his PT test, got a referral and was passed over for Maj.  

Edited June 1, 2016 by Chromedome

[HU&W]

8 hours ago, RaggedEd said:

Hey all, I recently failed my PT test as a Lt at UPT. Already got my assignment and graduated, just waiting to start follow on training. Hadn't stayed on top of things as a stud, and when I graduated I hit the gym pretty hard leading up to the fitness test. Showed up to the test sore (dumb), and cramped up on the sit-ups and subsequently failed by two. I'm reading that this is a pretty serious mistake. What's the typical outcome from this? I was pretty much told "don't sweat it just don't let it happen again" but it seems like this can end a career. 

Yup.  Big mistake.  On the bright side, you failed at the best possible time in your career to do so.  Work hard.  Never let it happen again.   Some far-fetched doors might be closed as a result, but you've got time to recover for all the important stuff.

[Harvey]

Ragged,

.     Did you tell the PT admins that you cramped up? You might have the option to get the test invalidated by your CC followed by a retest, but you have to act quickly, hopefully your failure was today. 

       Unfortunately, this failure has the potential to have a much bigger impact on your career than it should. In the C-17 community, it would be really tough to not be at the bottom of the rack and stack when it comes time to hand out some crappy assignment, even if you avoid a referral OPR. 

      Don't let this get you down though, if anything just focus on rocking your next course. 

[RaggedEd]

Thanks guys,

I did well in UPT, finished #2 in my class, but misprioritized things it seems. I didn't get any sort of written or verbal reprimand, just a fitness log I need to fill out. I was told this will only be in my record for 2 years. Is that not the case? 

[pcola]

A referral OPR for a failed PT test? IIRC, a referral is mandatory if your OPR period closes out with a failed/expired PT test. Which means that even if you fail one, as long as you can make it up and pass before your report closes, you shouldn't get a referral. If CCs are giving referral reports for failures above and beyond that, well, that's some solid douchebaggery right there.

General bit of free advice for folks that struggle with the PT test: adjust your testing schedule so that it DOESN'T coincide with your OPR close out. Shoot for the first or second month of your annual reporting period. Then your second test will fall in month 7 or 8. Should give you plenty of time to fix any failures prior to a report closing. Or just get to the gym more often, it's not that hard of a test.

[tac airlifter]

Ragged: good advice above.  I totally understand how this could happen, unfortunately we live in a time of exaggerated repercussions for this singular event.  Are you someone who normally struggles with PT, or do you typically score an excellent?  I highly recommend you rearrange your entire schedule and prioritize PT.  No one will care that you were second in your UPT class if you are borderline on PT, so knock the retest out of the park and never let this be an issue again.  

Anecdote: my SQ commander failed a PT test, but he was a guy who normally scored excellent and had a hernea in the middle of the test.  Freakish event, but he was told to get an excellent on the retest or expect to be fired.  

Kick ass on the next one bro, start scoring excellent and you can mostly recover (although this will never go away).  Fail another one or have a record of barely scraping by and unfortunately it will be a huge negative discriminator for you that will definitely override however good you are at flying.  Good luck!

[Herk Driver]

IIRC, a referral is no longer a mandatory thing, but your training report will more than likely have a remark if you do not/did not have a passing score by close out. Once that referral is in your record it will be there forever.

Lots of good advice above. My comments assume that you are a Lt but some are applicable either way. Don't fail another PT test, get an OPR on top before your Capt promotion "process" (board) meets. I have seen a 1Lt get passed over and picked up APZ because of something exactly like this. If you have an option to deploy in your MDS before your next promotion board then do that and get some real credibility in your weapons system documented and you will easily make this a non-event, but time is not on your side.

Agree with what was said above about prioritizing your schedule around gym time etc.

As for it only being in your record for two years that is flat out wrong. I can see every PT score for every test that I have ever taken and so can my CC.

[magnetfreezer]

24 minutes ago, Herk Driver said:

As for it only being in your record for two years that is flat out wrong. I can see every PT score for every test that I have ever taken and so can my CC.

Yep - pretty common to see the AFFMS printout go up along with an OPR/EPR; failures outside the reporting period are still discussed. In addition, FGOs and senior CGOs were briefed to not expect a DO/CC slot unless they were scoring above 90.

[RaggedEd]

An OPR close out date occurs one year after your EAD, and then consecutively each year, correct? If that's the case, I should have no issues passing before that time. A referral OPR hasn't been discussed yet luckily. I'm supposed to pin on 1Lt in July as of now. To answer tac's question, this is the first time I've scored below a 95+.

[Herk Driver]

An OPR close out date occurs one year after your EAD, and then consecutively each year, correct? If that's the case, I should have no issues passing before that time. A referral OPR hasn't been discussed yet luckily. I'm supposed to pin on 1Lt in July as of now. To answer tac's question, this is the first time I've scored below a 95+.

While in training, you only get training reports...no OPRs. Only after you have finished training (normally that includes your FTU) do you start getting OPRs. The more pieces of paper you can put on top of any potential "referral" TR, the better off you will be.

[Jaded]

Opportunity in disguise? You're just 3 PT failures away from being in the guard (not being serious.... But seriously) 

[Goblin]

I had a similar situation happen...failed my PT test right around UPT graduation.

Passed the retake and continued to get an excellent on every test since. Haven't literally heard anything from leadership about it since I left UPT (5 years ago). At all.

It still shows up on my report obviously, but nobody really seemed to care since I've done just fine after the fact.

[tac airlifter]

6 hours ago, RaggedEd said:

To answer tac's question, this is the first time I've scored below a 95+.

Keep it that way and you will easily recover.  Although this will always be on your record, there are lots of dudes who stay in great shape with a single failure chalked up to some freakish event.  If you demonstrate consistent excellent scores, this will be a minor blip and a good L2 you can share with young guys when it's your turn to give advice.  

[Dapper Dan Man]

While in training, you only get training reports...no OPRs. Only after you have finished training (normally that includes your FTU) do you start getting OPRs. The more pieces of paper you can put on top of any potential "referral" TR, the better off you will be.

Some extra info for clarification Ragged:

Big picture: if formal training is 20 weeks or more in duration, it resets your OPR date. If shorter than 20 weeks, OPR date does not change.

So, you receive a training report (475) at the end of UPT which then marks the start of your evaluation period for an OPR. If your follow-on FTU is less than 20 weeks long, you still get a training report when you finish FTU but it does not reset your OPR date, and your OPR will close out a year after you received your UPT training report.

Be prepared for the potential that you may have an OPR due a year after you graduated from UPT. Ensure you have a passing score on the books before then.

[di1630]

Sad that someone who finished #2 in his class in UPT feels like he "misprioritized" during UPT due to a pt test failure.

This is what the USAF focuses on folks. And then wonders why the good people leave.

[guineapigfury]

1 hour ago, Dapper Dan Man said:

Some extra info for clarification Ragged:

Big picture: if formal training is 20 weeks or more in duration, it resets your OPR date. If shorter than 20 weeks, OPR date does not change.

So, you receive a training report (475) at the end of UPT which then marks the start of your evaluation period for an OPR. If your follow-on FTU is less than 20 weeks long, you still get a training report when you finish FTU but it does not reset your OPR date, and your OPR will close out a year after you received your UPT training report.

Be prepared for the potential that you may have an OPR due a year after you graduated from UPT. Ensure you have a passing score on the books before then.

Note: If your follow-on training is scheduled for less than 20 weeks but goes over 20 weeks, you can get an extension on the OPR closeout date.

[RaggedEd]

Really appreciate all the advice and insight, extremely helpful. Thanks for helping a newbie out