Promotion and PRF Information

[SurelySerious]

Note: If your follow-on training is scheduled for less than 20 weeks but goes over 20 weeks, you can get an extension on the OPR closeout date.

#Holloman

[otsap]

Ragged,

One data point contrary to the doom and gloom some have suggested.  I failed a PT test while TDY en route to a PCS.  TDY commander was never notified about it and, frankly, I'm pretty sure he would have looked the other way.  Gaining commander told me to get another one done ASAP (before OPR closeout), so I did.  Got an excellent on it as well as the six tests since the failure.  I've been asked once about it, mostly because the sq/cc thought it was a typo or error of some sort.  I told him the story and he just rolled his eyes and said not to worry about it.

Hasn't made a bit of difference...so far.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

Ragged,

I'm I the same boat as otsap. Failed a test prior to departing for a TDY enroute. Was forced to test a month prior to my PT close out due to the PCS. Retested while TDY and haven't looked back since. It gets brought up from time to time but my O-5 PRF left the base with a DP.  So you can easily recover. 

That said, get in the PT reg and know it. Never test within 45 days of your OPR close out. That's the shortest amount of time to be able to retest. Waiver required. Standard is 90 days IIRC. Also, if I knew the reg better I would've told my FSS to pound sand when they told me I couldn't outprocess without taking the test. The AFI covers TDY and PCS's but not TDY enroute. Gray area I guess. 

Good luck, congrats on rocking UPT. Don't hide your failure from anyone, just own it. And never put yourself in a position to fail again, even if that means going noncurrent. 

AMF

[SnapLock]

I agree with all the advice above.  To the OP:  I came close to being in your situation in UPT.  We had an OSS/CC that felt it was suddenly a good idea to force the studs to take "official on the record" no notice PT tests a couple of times during training.  Luckily I never heard of anyone failing but that CC was a huge douche.  A bunch of us came close to failing because, yep, we had our noses in the books and spent the rest of the time chair flying etc.  Shockingly we were all so far from being due for out tests that we focused more on the task at hand instead of hitting the gym for a couple of hours each day.  I would argue that most people aren't in the shape of their lives at the end of UPT.  You had a bad test.  Like someone else said, go talk to your CC and explain you cramped up.  If you got above a 95 on your last test and look like you're in shape he might invalidate your test if you explain what happened.  If he's a good dude he will.  A friend of mine failed for the exact same reason as you.  His CC invalidated the test.  He retested a couple of days later and rocked it.  He's continued on without skipping a beat and is going places.  

If you can't get your test invalidated don't sweat it.  You failed at one of the better times to do something like that.  Have a good attitude, rock your retest, and you'll be fine.

[danvgalhb]

So, not to go off topic but a buddy brought this up to my attention so figured I'd share in case folks aren't aware of it.  I only included part of the continuation board announcement (the rest is on myPers) but it looks like the AF will be rubber stamping continuations for this year.  However, what struck me is the lengthy list of AFSCs that are apparently now "critical skills" for the AF.  I guess every skill is "critical" after the 2014 RIF losses?

I was also a bit skeptical about the 84% promotion opportunity for the CY16 0-5 board but this CB guidance practically validates that high opportunity percentage IMO.

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"CY16B Major (LAF/MSC/BSC) and Captain (BSC) Selective Continuation Boards

Applicable to: Active Duty 

Eligibility 

LAF majors on the Air Force Active Duty list who fail selection to lieutenant colonel two or more times, including those who are retirement eligible under Title 10, U.S.C., Section 8911, or within two years of qualifying for retirement under Section 8911, and who are within the following critical skills: Pilots (11X); Bomber Combat Systems Officers (12B); Fighter Combat Systems Officers (12F); Rescue Combat Systems Officers (12H); Special Operations Combat Systems Officers (12S); Remotely Piloted Aircraft Pilots (12U, 13U, 18X); Air Liaison Officers (13L); Nuclear and Missile Operation Officers (13N); Space Operations Officers (13S); Intelligence Officers (14N); Cyber Warfare Operations Officers and Network Operations Officers (17X); Aircraft Maintenance Officers (21A); Munitions and Missile Maintenance Officers (21M); Logistics Readiness Officers (21R); Security Forces Officers (31P); Civil Engineer Officers (32E); Public Affairs Officers (35P); Operations Research Analyst Officers (61A); Physicist/Nuclear Engineer Officers (61D); Acquisition Manager Officers (63A); Contracting Officers (64P); Financial Management Officers (65F) as orf the 1st day of the 7th month after Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness (PDUSD {P&R}) approves results of the CY16B Lieutenant Colonel LAF, MSC, and BSC Central Selection Boards.

Length of Continuation Period 

Unless sooner retired or discharged under another provision of law, each eligible captain or major selected for continuation will be continued until such time as the officer qualifies for retirement under Section 8911, or age 62, whichever is earlier, with the exception of those LAF majors in a critical skill listed above. Each eligible LAF major, within a critical skill listed above, selected for continuation will be continued until they reach 24 years of Total Active Federal Commissioned Service (TAFCS)."

[guineapigfury]

Any word on continuation for Captains twice passed over for Major?  I'm trying to get fired.

[danvgalhb]

3 minutes ago, guineapigfury said:

Any word on continuation for Captains twice passed over for Major?  I'm trying to get fired.

I didn't check on CY16 CB boards for twice passed over LAF Captains but it is also on MyPers.  If I had to guess though, don't expect an easy way out this year.

[guineapigfury]

I'll have a look in the morning.

[Duck]

I don't like the wording in the last sentence... "Will be continued..." But doesn't federal up or out law trump being offered continuation? Meaning that they can offer but you can turn it down?

[pcola]

Yes, you can decline continuation. But you won't get any separation money.

[ArcticGator]

So with 84% promotion opportunity what would that normally equate to for IPZ promotion percentage--75%?

[guineapigfury]

The continuation info on mypers for Captain's passed over for Major is all about Major's passed over for Lt Colonel.  Why am I not surprised?

[jrizzell]

From above: "each eligible LAF major, within a critical skill listed above, selected for continuation will be continued until they reach 24 years of Total Active Federal Commissioned Service (TAFCS)."

If you accept continuation and are in "Critical Skill", you'll get to stay an extra 4 years past 20...Plan accordingly gents 

 

 

[Chicken]

1 hour ago, jrizzell said:

From above: "each eligible LAF major, within a critical skill listed above, selected for continuation will be continued until they reach 24 years of Total Active Federal Commissioned Service (TAFCS)."

If you accept continuation and are in "Critical Skill", you'll get to stay an extra 4 years past 20...Plan accordingly gents .

 

Nope.. up to 24 years.  I'll still retire at 20.  And if I have an ADSC and offered continuation, won't they still make me serve (potentially) the remainder of my ADSC?

[jrizzell]

Chicken you could be correct. However my continuation was only offered until 20 years, so I don't know exactly how it works to 24 years. And it was the "will be continued to 24 years" statement that caught my attention.

[dream big]

21 hours ago, SnapLock said:

I agree with all the advice above.  To the OP:  I came close to being in your situation in UPT.  We had an OSS/CC that felt it was suddenly a good idea to force the studs to take "official on the record" no notice PT tests a couple of times during training.  Luckily I never heard of anyone failing but that CC was a huge douche.  A bunch of us came close to failing because, yep, we had our noses in the books and spent the rest of the time chair flying etc.  Shockingly we were all so far from being due for out tests that we focused more on the task at hand instead of hitting the gym for a couple of hours each day.  I would argue that most people aren't in the shape of their lives at the end of UPT.  You had a bad test.  Like someone else said, go talk to your CC and explain you cramped up.  If you got above a 95 on your last test and look like you're in shape he might invalidate your test if you explain what happened.  If he's a good dude he will.  A friend of mine failed for the exact same reason as you.  His CC invalidated the test.  He retested a couple of days later and rocked it.  He's continued on without skipping a beat and is going places.  

If you can't get your test invalidated don't sweat it.  You failed at one of the better times to do something like that.  Have a good attitude, rock your retest, and you'll be fine.

Are you kidding me? And this is why 99% of the senior captains/majors I know want to GTFO ASAP. 

[SnapLock]

1 hour ago, dream big said:

Are you kidding me? And this is why 99% of the senior captains/majors I know want to GTFO ASAP. 

No, no I'm not kidding.  This was just the tip of the iceberg with this guy. ANNNDDDD, yes his leadership was the beginning of the end for me. 

[pawnman]

On 6/1/2016 at 10:49 PM, danvgalhb said:

So, not to go off topic but a buddy brought this up to my attention so figured I'd share in case folks aren't aware of it.  I only included part of the continuation board announcement (the rest is on myPers) but it looks like the AF will be rubber stamping continuations for this year.  However, what struck me is the lengthy list of AFSCs that are apparently now "critical skills" for the AF.  I guess every skill is "critical" after the 2014 RIF losses?

I was also a bit skeptical about the 84% promotion opportunity for the CY16 0-5 board but this CB guidance practically validates that high opportunity percentage IMO.

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"CY16B Major (LAF/MSC/BSC) and Captain (BSC) Selective Continuation Boards

Applicable to: Active Duty 

 

Eligibility 

LAF majors on the Air Force Active Duty list who fail selection to lieutenant colonel two or more times, including those who are retirement eligible under Title 10, U.S.C., Section 8911, or within two years of qualifying for retirement under Section 8911, and who are within the following critical skills: Pilots (11X); Bomber Combat Systems Officers (12B); Fighter Combat Systems Officers (12F); Rescue Combat Systems Officers (12H); Special Operations Combat Systems Officers (12S); Remotely Piloted Aircraft Pilots (12U, 13U, 18X); Air Liaison Officers (13L); Nuclear and Missile Operation Officers (13N); Space Operations Officers (13S); Intelligence Officers (14N); Cyber Warfare Operations Officers and Network Operations Officers (17X); Aircraft Maintenance Officers (21A); Munitions and Missile Maintenance Officers (21M); Logistics Readiness Officers (21R); Security Forces Officers (31P); Civil Engineer Officers (32E); Public Affairs Officers (35P); Operations Research Analyst Officers (61A); Physicist/Nuclear Engineer Officers (61D); Acquisition Manager Officers (63A); Contracting Officers (64P); Financial Management Officers (65F) as orf the 1st day of the 7th month after Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness (PDUSD {P&R}) approves results of the CY16B Lieutenant Colonel LAF, MSC, and BSC Central Selection Boards.

 

Length of Continuation Period 

 

Unless sooner retired or discharged under another provision of law, each eligible captain or major selected for continuation will be continued until such time as the officer qualifies for retirement under Section 8911, or age 62, whichever is earlier, with the exception of those LAF majors in a critical skill listed above. Each eligible LAF major, within a critical skill listed above, selected for continuation will be continued until they reach 24 years of Total Active Federal Commissioned Service (TAFCS)."

12B is critical, eh?  I'll hold my breath waiting for that bonus.

[Chicken]

4 hours ago, pawnman said:

12B is critical, eh?  I'll hold my breath waiting for that bonus.

Doesn't mean they get a bonus.. I won't get the bonus.. even if I fall into an AFSC that gets a bonus, I will NEVER get one because as of June 9th (assuming I get continued) I will have a DOS which means I am no longer eligible for the bonus. 

Captains typically get continuation until 20 years.  Majors 24 years I believe.. 

[ArcticGator]

Looking at the promotion statistics for Lt Col last year, what does the demographic "MAJCOM" mean? There was a 64% promotion rate for PRF's with a MAJCOM PAS code, as opposed to 72% overall. Does "MAJCOM"include everyone from the wings and the staffs all the way to MAJCOM staff? According to the statistics there were 985 eligibles at the MAJCOM level so that leaves 742 others...

Does that mean 742 people above MAJCOM level at COCOM and Joint Staffs? Seems like too many people. Who is NOT included in "MAJCOM?"

[Chicken]

1 hour ago, ArcticGator said:

Looking at the promotion statistics for Lt Col last year, what does the demographic "MAJCOM" mean? There was a 64% promotion rate for PRF's with a MAJCOM PAS code, as opposed to 72% overall. Does "MAJCOM"include everyone from the wings and the staffs all the way to MAJCOM staff? According to the statistics there were 985 eligibles at the MAJCOM level so that leaves 742 others...

Does that mean 742 people above MAJCOM level at COCOM and Joint Staffs? Seems like too many people. Who is NOT included in "MAJCOM?"

Not sure about what you're looking at specifically, but when it says MAJCOM I believe it's referring to the promotion rate for that MAJCOM.  For example, a P in AFSOC got you what was really a 22% promotion rate (or close to it).  Other MAJCOMs do better.  Some worse.  AFSOC doesn't take care of people and if you are new to the command and not an AFSOC baby you are f'd.  

[ArcticGator]

Maybe I'm out of touch but it seems high that 40% of IPZ Majors are working above the MAJCOM level.

[Ghostin]

Maybe not so high if you don't think of it as above... just other. A lot of FOAs/DRUs are FGO heavy (AFPC, AFIT, AFIA, the Academy, etc...). That's in addition to the "echelons above."

Just a guess though...

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[bennynova]

List is out there, boys....

 

. Good luck to all!

[Winchester]

3 hours ago, Chicken said:

Not sure about what you're looking at specifically, but when it says MAJCOM I believe it's referring to the promotion rate for that MAJCOM.  For example, a P in AFSOC got you what was really a 22% promotion rate (or close to it).  Other MAJCOMs do better.  Some worse.  AFSOC doesn't take care of people and if you are new to the command and not an AFSOC baby you are f'd.  

I believe there will be quite the reckoning in the next two years for "mother" AFSOC.  A1 has no idea what is about to happen when ADSCs run out for the bulk of their "experience".  They aren't even planning for the level of attrition that "might" occur.  If manning is bad now....just wait, it'll be a bad day over Hanoi for the clerks.  I'm sure other MAJCOMs will suffer the same fate but the above quoted mentality in AFSOC will be their demise.  IMO.