Promotion and PRF Information

[dream big]

10 hours ago, Craftsman said:

If any 09 guys are looking for a push line for there PRF.

#1 choice for Delta or SWA! Name is a proven cmbt pilot and exceptional ldr; DNP, offer CJO & make FO this board!

Edit: UAL or AA or anyone else as you see fit to fill the white space.


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I'm 09 and am starting to write my PRF today: over under on my CCs reaction when he sees that push line? 

[tkc10chief]

26 minutes ago, Homestar said:

Well, as we all know, step #1 is recognizing you have a problem. 

This will be interesting to see play out. Prior to this the O-4 board has represented a giant off-ramp with limited opportunities to regain professional traction. Hopefully this changes things. But, as General Goldfein notes, I am skeptical the Air Force can pull it off. 

This essentially gives Wing Commanders more control over who goes or is at least pushed for school and potentially more slots since those that were awarded off the board are now absorbed by the 3849 process. Should be interesting to see how this plays out. But definitely skeptical as to how the numbers pan out across the career fields and Wings. 

Edited July 11, 2017 by tkc10chief

[cragspider]

1 hour ago, tkc10chief said:

This essentially gives Wing Commanders more control over who goes or is at least pushed for school and potentially more slots since those that were awarded off the board are now absorbed by the 3849 process. Should be interesting to see how this plays out. But definitely skeptical as to how the numbers pan out across the career fields and Wings. 

If the Air Force is smart about this new process, who are we kidding they will screw this up also, they will give each wing x number of slots that the wing king and use to fill. Then the rest the AF does some mind blowing process to fill the rest. 

[tkc10chief]

8 minutes ago, cragspider said:

If the Air Force is smart about this new process, who are we kidding they will screw this up also, they will give each wing x number of slots that the wing king and use to fill. Then the rest the AF does some mind blowing process to fill the rest. 

What they fail to mention is that all Majors from now on will do 100% ACSC by correspondence! (Except those that wait and hold out for in res). 

[Karl Hungus]

2 hours ago, Craftsman said:

While I am absolutely confident this is the right decision, I am equally confident a good portion of our officer corps will be skeptical. Given all the turmoil and instability of the past several years, trust in senior leadership on these issues is not high.
 

This.  Sorta destroys the whole argument that "the AF gets it's promotions and leaders right most of the time!!!" you'd hear from the Liquids et al on this board.  In Liquid's defense, he must be really busy giving out his no-notice ground evals to all the pilots talking about the airlines at work... maybe that's why he doesn't participate here anymore.  That's gotta be a full-time job.  

[Karl Hungus]

4 minutes ago, tkc10chief said:

What they fail to mention is that all Majors from now on will do 100% ACSC by correspondence! (Except those that wait and hold out for in res). 

You won't go in-res if you don't complete ACSC via correspondence first.  We're back to the practice bleeding days.  

[HossHarris]

The shiny pennies are still getting chosen at the majors board. They just aren't releasing the results to you anymore. There's still a list. Believe it. 

[Duck]

The goal is to make it look like we are doing something... without actually doing something.


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[LookieRookie]

The reserves already do school with their RSSB.

+1 for my baseopileaks source.

[Magellan]

5 hours ago, HossHarris said:

The shiny pennies are still getting chosen at the majors board. They just aren't releasing the results to you anymore. There's still a list. Believe it. 

There is always a list.  And there probably always will be, but when you publish the list for the world to see it triggers problematic behaviors.  Which in turn crush morale right as dudes are getting to the end of their UPT commitments.

At least now commanders have more control, and it will be easier to scratch a name off or add another name from a late bloomer.  

That said I will be very curious to see how this plays out at bases like Nellis, Edwards, Eglin, and among the cyber operators where you have a higher percentage of top performers than most wings.  It will either be a boom or bust for them.

[panchbarnes]

7 minutes ago, Magellan said:

That said I will be very curious to see how this plays out at bases like Nellis, Edwards, Eglin, and among the cyber operators where you have a higher percentage of top performers than most wings.  It will either be a boom or bust for them.

We've seen how this played out before..."You are all top performers to me, what separates you from your peers will be how much volunteer work you do.  Also, everyone is getting 90s on PT tests, you need to get a perfect score to be #1 in my secret Excel spreadsheet."

[xaarman]

 

3 hours ago, Magellan said:

That said I will be very curious to see how this plays out at bases like Nellis, Edwards, Eglin, and among the cyber operators where you have a higher percentage of top performers than most wings.  It will either be a boom or bust for them.

You forgot Maxwell.

 

(sarcasm intended)

[Guest]

and among the cyber operators where you have a higher percentage of top performers than most wings.  It will either be a boom or bust for them.

For cyber? Easy. Look for the guy covered in cheetos dust, and then ask him when he last showered. Boom, that's your top performer.


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[HossHarris]

13 hours ago, HossHarris said:

The shiny pennies are still getting chosen at the majors board. They just aren't releasing the results to you anymore. There's still a list. Believe it. 

But then again....I'm an optimist ....

[pawnman]

17 hours ago, HossHarris said:

The shiny pennies are still getting chosen at the majors board. They just aren't releasing the results to you anymore. There's still a list. Believe it. 

There's always a list. But with three looks at school, you're going to bracket two WG/CCs. Just because you weren't on the first guy's lost doesn't mean you can't make the second guy's list.

[Champ Kind]

There's always a list. But with three looks at school, you're going to bracket two WG/CCs. Just because you weren't on the first guy's lost doesn't mean you can't make the second guy's list.

Truth.

The other issue is there is another "list" ,at least in the MAF, that resides with AMC/A1 Force Development. It's constructed using a less formal data call (email to wings) per YG. They have been IDing Capts the year before their O-4 IPZ. Not sure how common knowledge that is.

[mcbush]

3 hours ago, Champ Kind said:

Truth.

The other issue is there is another "list" ,at least in the MAF, that resides with AMC/A1 Force Development. It's constructed using a less formal data call (email to wings) per YG. They have been IDing Capts the year before their O-4 IPZ. Not sure how common knowledge that is.

 

This is separate from/in addition to the HPO list, I take it?

[Champ Kind]

This is separate from/in addition to the HPO list, I take it?

Seems a little early to identify 2-3 year Capts as "HPOs", so I'd assume "in addition to". But, it could all be semantics.

[NKAWTG]

2 minutes ago, Champ Kind said:

 

Seems a little early to identify 2-3 year Capts as "HPOs", so I'd assume "in addition to". But, it could all be semantics.

That's the HPO list.  The on ramps are DGs from the Academy, pilot training, SOS, MAJCOM awards and school selects from Major's list.  Problem is, if you don't hit one of those milestones, you probably won't make the super secret list, and they only remove people after the Major's board.  There isn't a process to ID late bloomers, so you'd better off with #1 for Delta, and Palace Front now! push lines.

[Champ Kind]

The AF really has a chance to do right by itself in this midst of this (abrupt) change by clearly articulating to young officers right out the gate, and updates as the progress, the benchmarks that will be required to "on-ramp" and the time milestones associated with them rather than having guys "figure it out" along the way.  

 

If I was an '08 guy on the fence, the timing of this change would probably be a tick mark in the A-word column, but I respect CSAF's motives to get this change enacted quickly rather than continuing to admire the problem.  All that to say, it's laughable that it's taking at least another week to effectively delete a column of data for a spreadsheet, come up with some talking points on a subject that's been discussed since at least Jan, and release.  Great intent from CSAF, typical lackluster bureaucratic execution from the staff.  

Edited July 13, 2017 by Champ Kind

[xaarman]

Notifications are starting to go out,  friend has been notified he made it. Currently deployed, so I suspect I'll find out around public release.

[skosh]

As an 08er at EDW, this is exactly what I'm curious about!  Lots of solid people here in my year group who almost certainly would have been school selects.  Now are we all competing with each other for a couple slots each year?  Just wish someone could let us know the rules of the game up front...

Edited July 13, 2017 by skosh

[17D_guy]

19 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:

For cyber? Easy. Look for the guy covered in cheetos dust, and then ask him when he last showered. Boom, that's your top performer.
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17 minutes ago, skosh said:

As an 08er at EDW, this is exactly what I'm curious about!  Lots of solid people here in my year group who almost certainly would have been school selects.  Now are we all competing with each other for a couple slots each year?  Just wish someone could let us know the rules of the game up front...

Cheetos and War Games in a single thread?  You guys finally get us!

[tkc10chief]

16 hours ago, skosh said:

As an 08er at EDW, this is exactly what I'm curious about!  Lots of solid people here in my year group who almost certainly would have been school selects.  Now are we all competing with each other for a couple slots each year?  Just wish someone could let us know the rules of the game up front...

08 guy too. It would appear on the outside (without any further words on this matter other than an article) that the AF is taking the school slots that used to be awarded to the top ~15% or so of each year group promo board and adding them to the pot for the 1st-3rd looks. Last year I think there were around 350 school selects off the board. So wing commanders "should" be pushing more people for school on their looks. Now whether they are selected is a whole different argument and problem. What does this mean for the 08' year group I'm not sure. I could see this going two ways though. Wing/CC's could take advantage of this and push more 3rd look guys with the hope of getting them school or on the flip side push the top candidates regardless of look number or a combo of both. 

Edited July 13, 2017 by tkc10chief

[bennynova]

93.5 ish percent promotion rate for IPZ

 

  15% of APZ rate