Promotion and PRF Information

[Bender]

Is there some hint here that increasing the "opportunity" to O-5 is a desirable thing? That's going to make any kind of difference...who gives a shit? It's purely a number in grade game, and O-5 becomes more vacant by the day and the number competing becomes lower as well.

"Best of what's left?"...please, that's always been true. It's a fact, used in sarcasm as some kind of point for those that feel they need it.

Every SQ/CC (with 2 exceptions) I've ever hooked up, is now flying for delta...make O-5, get command, join the line behind the passed over major.

Do what makes you happy and what you enjoy...I for one appreciate the people...I won't have these kinds of relationships in my next career...I'll missed that a lot.
The money will probably help, but I'll still miss them.

Last year captain is where it's at...if you move, blast straight to squadron command. There's no joy in ADO'ing; DO'ing for sure, but definitely not ADO'ing, unless your at a UPT base and hide in a flight as a chief pilot. (I don't know how to do this, it's just something I've heard happens).

~Bendy

[Weezer]

On 7/13/2018 at 11:47 AM, ThreeHoler said:

I thought BPZ was limited to 10% but maybe I was mistaken.

Per law (DOPMA), you are correct, last I checked.

[Guardian]

Can you give up a rank? Like you are a LtCol active duty and want to be a major in the guard or reserves? Anything like un-promotion voluntarily?

[HarleyQuinn]

No PSDM drop yet for the next majors board? I learned a few months back our flight docs do not receive a PRF. A letter is submitted for them. "Met all reqs. Promote!" "Did not meet all reqs, attempted to pop a cyst, thinking it was a pimple. DO NOT PROMOTE!" Just that simple.

A doc was asking me about whether or not he needs to submit a  PRF before his PCS. I was close to saying, "Damit Jim, I'm a pilot snacko, not a doctor." I made a call, and low and behold, no PRF for them. Just like SOS is optional for flight doctors.

Edited July 18, 2018 by HarleyQuinn

[war007afa]

1 hour ago, HarleyQuinn said:

No PSDM drop yet for the next majors board? I learned a few months back our flight docs do not receive a PRF. A letter is submitted for them. "Met all reqs. Promote!" "Did not meet all reqs, attempted to pop a cyst, thinking it was a pimple. DO NOT PROMOTE!" Just that simple.

A doc was asking me about whether or not he needs to submit a  PRF before his PCS. I was close to saying, "Damit Jim, I'm a pilot snacko, not a doctor." I made a call, and low and behold, no PRF for them. Just like SOS is optional for flight doctors.

Well, it’s pretty hard to keep doctors around, so we had better find a way to retain that talent and experience. The Air Force has to be cautious with these kinds of things. Imagine an Air Force without doctors! Plus all of that specialized training and licensing, along with continually making life or death decisions...

And yet here we are, 11Xs.

[pawnman]

43 minutes ago, war007afa said:

Well, it’s pretty hard to keep doctors around, so we had better find a way to retain that talent and experience. The Air Force has to be cautious with these kinds of things. Imagine an Air Force without doctors! Plus all of that specialized training and licensing, along with continually making life or death decisions...

And yet here we are, 11Xs.

At least doctors don't have an easy transition to similar jobs on the outside.  Phew, where would we be then?

[Bender]

No PSDM drop yet for the next majors board? I learned a few months back our flight docs do not receive a PRF. A letter is submitted for them. "Met all reqs. Promote!" "Did not meet all reqs, attempted to pop a cyst, thinking it was a pimple. DO NOT PROMOTE!" Just that simple.
A doc was asking me about whether or not he needs to submit a  PRF before his PCS. I was close to saying, "Damit Jim, I'm a pilot snacko, not a doctor." I made a call, and low and behold, no PRF for them. Just like SOS is optional for flight doctors.

You're mentoring flight doctors on their PRFs now too? You really are a truly sought after commodity for sure.

Your friend is either an idiot, you're a troll, or you're a liar...what do you want t go with here?

~Bendy

[17D_guy]

7 minutes ago, Bender said:

 

You're mentoring flight doctors on their PRFs now too? You really are a truly sought after commodity for sure.

Your friend is either an idiot, you're a troll, or you're a liar...what do you want t go with here?

~Bendy

 

Careful, he'll post another family photo.

[HarleyQuinn]

On 7/17/2018 at 11:00 PM, Bender said:

 

You're mentoring flight doctors on their PRFs now too? You really are a truly sought after commodity for sure.

Your friend is either an idiot, you're a troll, or you're a liar...what do you want t go with here?

~Bendy

 

Some squadrons are pretty tight with their flight doctors. Maybe you are not accustomed to that relationship. At least two enlisted personnel have come to me because their symptoms were being overlooked by doctors due to them being young airmen. I texted our flight doctor and he rolled in on the doctors in the Medical Group to resolve the issues. Someone from intel needed to be cleared for a TDY and the Medical Group was dragging their feet on the paperwork. Texted the flight doctor and he rolled in once again to save the day.

Flight doctors aren't always mentored properly just like any other career field. They probably have leadership that solely looks out for themselves.  I was surprised when the doc asked me about his PRF. I actually had to call a Medical Group at a different base for the information. And I showed the doc on MyPers how to figure out when he will be IPZ for the Medical Corps. Bros taking care of bros, no matter the AFSC.

If you aren't in the AF anymore, how can you call a flight doctor an idiot for seeking out mentorship? I don't think any idiots make it through med school. 

Bendy....have a snickers.

Edited July 19, 2018 by HarleyQuinn

[Champ Kind]

l I don't think any idiots make it through med school. 

I beg to differ based on some experiences at the medical hobby shop.

If you really wanted to do right by your airmen, you could have helped them obtain a referral to a real doctor in town.

[FourFans]

6 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

Bendy....have a snickers.

Point of order: Bendy IS a diva.  Snickers won't help.

[war007afa]

So, Duck, does your contact happen to know what the deal is with the O-5 board timeline?  Are we looking at another 6 months?

[HarleyQuinn]

16 hours ago, Champ Kind said:

 

I beg to differ based on some experiences at the medical hobby shop.

If you really wanted to do right by your airmen, you could have helped them obtain a referral to a real doctor in town.

 

Medical Hobby Shop..I am dead! You are right Champ. However, I don't know which doctors to recommend off base. I didn't want to make my post too long by including this information either. 

Edited July 19, 2018 by HarleyQuinn

[Champ Kind]

So, Duck, does your contact happen to know what the deal is with the O-5 board timeline?  Are we looking at another 6 months?

Is there any actionable info causing the uproar about the O-5 board results? Other than the fact that the board date slipped 3 months, the requirements for PRFs were still the same, were they not? There shouldn’t be the same contentious discussion going on at higher levels on this promotion board because there wasn’t the “100% opportunity” language as was the case on the recent O-4 board.

I think someone else already chimed in, but based on historical data you should see results for the O-5 board in early to mid September based on that being roughly three months from the board.

[billy pilgrim]

Does anyone have any info on when the O-5 board results will be released?  Last I heard was September.

I hope I don't fall off of the AFPC career pyramid.

[Duck]

I’m guessing Sept. Champ is right. Lack of PRFs and pushing guys for promotion with negative indicators bogged down the O-4 board. Don’t suspect that with the O-5 board.

[FourFans]

I'll leave this right here:

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/07/25/how-officers-are-promoted-will-get-its-biggest-overhaul-in-decades-heres-what-that-means-for-the-military/

TL, DR: Up or out might go away for career specialists (I would hope that read 'pilots'), and some shiny pennies might get promoted even faster.   However...

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None of the changes are mandatory, meaning service officials could completely ignore the ideas.

But defense officials have publicly expressed interest in the moves in recent months, and Carson thinks even long-held traditions won’t stand in the way of market pressure.

It'll be interesting to see if Big Blue embraces this, as it could really help retention, if they flex it right in combination with significant increases in monetary incentives. 

If Big Blue doesn't embrace this (most likely course IMO), I think we'll see just how hard a stand Blue's bureaucratic hubris can take again positive change.

[HarleyQuinn]

So PRFs or no PRFs for the P0418D line of the AF majors board?

On a side note, my CC was like I'm not congratulating these dudes from the last board. They didn't earn their rank. I busted out in laughter and I've grown to accept we are changing as a force. Let me know how it shakes out after I retire in 2 years. #NotMyProblem

Edited August 16, 2018 by HarleyQuinn

[SFG]

10 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

So PRFs or no PRFs for the P0418D line of the AF majors board?

On aside not, my CC was like I'm not congratulating these dudes from the last board. They didn't earn their rank. I busted out in laughter and I've grown to accept we are changing as a force. Let me know how it shakes out after I retire in 2 years. #NotMyProblem

That’s messed up.

[pawnman]

15 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

So PRFs or no PRFs for the P0418D line of the AF majors board?

On aside not, my CC was like I'm not congratulating these dudes from the last board. They didn't earn their rank. I busted out in laughter and I've grown to accept we are changing as a force. Let me know how it shakes out after I retire in 2 years. #NotMyProblem

I'm sure his new majors will give them 110% every day at the office...

[dream big]

2 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

So PRFs or no PRFs for the P0418D line of the AF majors board?

On aside not, my CC was like I'm not congratulating these dudes from the last board. They didn't earn their rank. I busted out in laughter and I've grown to accept we are changing as a force. Let me know how it shakes out after I retire in 2 years. #NotMyProblem

Your CC is a tool and one of the reasons we have a retention problem.  

[Muscle2002]

Unbelievable.  The fact of the matter is that those officers did earn it, through dedicated service over their career. For that reason alone, they merit recognition.  That year group simply did not have their records compete at a board.

 

Even though one of my guys and I knew he would make it, I still took the time to call and congratulate him.  Making any rank is not insignificant.

 

That “commander” needs to know it is and has always been about the people, without which, the AF cannot execute its mission.

 

Edited July 27, 2018 by Muscle2002

[Fuzz]

It actually shows your commander is completely ignorant on what actually happened with that board and that's disappointing. However, not surprised given how terrible of a job HAF did in communicating what was actually happening with that board, regardless he's still a tool. Hope he doesnt feel that way when AFPC shifts the promotion rates like they do every year to ensure we promote enough people to fill the demand.

[ThreeHoler]

Aren’t there still 200 people waiting to find out if that board really promoted them or the SECAF is going to strip it from them?

[Homestar]

11 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

I'm not congratulating these dudes

Lame.  I got a nice handwritten card from my Wg/CC when I pinned on Capt even though I didn't do anything but survive for four years.  A personal touch goes a long way.  That's what she said?