Promotion and PRF Information

[Champ Kind]

I talked to a civilian in the AFPC promotions office a few months ago and she said the increment list would come out in November. She also told me the list was going to go from Jan 2014 til summer 2015.

Yep... Less than 150/month.

Increments for those in the '04 year group are out on Mypers... 123/month it is.

[drewpey]

I talked to a civilian in the AFPC promotions office a few months ago and she said the increment list would come out in November. She also told me the list was going to go from Jan 2014 til summer 2015.

So it won't wrap up in December? That will push back the '05 guys just like they said it wouldn't.

Grats on the 123/month. At least it isn't 113 I guess.

[Who?]

Looks like the first increment (Jan '14) for the '99 guys pinning on O-5 is 85. If they keep to this rate, the last increment won't promote until April '15.

[silverwolf0911]

Saw this on af.mil:

https://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/467802/af-to-mandate-organizational-command-climate-on-evaluation-feedback-forms.aspx

Does this mean what I think it means? We'll be seeing updated EPR/OPR forms in a few weeks? Mandatory bullets about "healthy organizational climate"

The Air Force will reinforce its performance evaluation system by requiring evaluators to assess what Airmen did to ensure a healthy organizational climate.

Policy modifications, performance feedback, and officer and enlisted evaluation form changes will be implemented Jan. 1.

This increased focus is part of the overall Air Force effort to accentuate the emphasis on sexual assault prevention and response but encompasses a great deal more, according to Lt. Gen. Sam Cox, the deputy chief of staff for Manpower, Personnel and Services.

..... “This modification to policy now reinforces our responsibilities for organizational climate, ensures it is discussed during feedback and mandates its consideration on every Airman’s evaluation.”

To assist evaluators, the evaluation and feedback forms will be amended to list organizational climate as a gradable factor for consideration and discussion, the general said.

“This is extremely important as we place additional emphasis on this topic and truly change how culture is perceived in the Air Force,” Cox said.

[ThreeHoler]

Welp, that explains Welsh's weird-ass "dignity and respect" email from earlier this week.

[Mark1]

Saw this on af.mil:

https://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/467802/af-to-mandate-organizational-command-climate-on-evaluation-feedback-forms.aspx

Does this mean what I think it means? We'll be seeing updated EPR/OPR forms in a few weeks? Mandatory bullets about "healthy organizational climate"

Only convicted of 2 co-worker rapings in FY13 -- 200% decrease over last FY!!! On pace for zero rapes by FY15. Brought 4 sq spouse vacation swimwear pictures to IG attention. Pictures shredded, then burned -- disaster averted. IDE now, promote soonest.

[Bender]

Does this mean what I think it means? We'll be seeing updated EPR/OPR forms in a few weeks? Mandatory bullets about "healthy organizational climate"

I doubt there will be any need for a bullet, unless it's on your referral EPR/OPR; there will simply be another box added to the back of the form to accompany "professional qualities" and "communication skills".

You know, clearly it's very difficult for a leader to "grade" one for their contributions (or lack there of) to a "healthy organizational climate" using tools like "professional qualities".

All we need to do is add an actual "healthy organizational climate" check box and we'll surely nip this sexual assault and racism crap right in the va-jay-jay.

We're adding it to the OPR/EPR to ensure it's discussed during feedback? A drunk monkey (and on the good stuff too) throwing darts at a barn door...isn't there literally a feedback form they could update? The "professional qualities" checkbox is already there. Sure someone else came up with this stuff, but a three-star general signed off on it?

Sometimes...I think the AF is just totally fucked. There isn't any amount of force shaping or RIF'ing that is going to fix it (unless they force shape me...that would solve it (for me)).

P.S. Mark, I'm going to steal that bullet for my RRF (which I am going to start working on in lieu of my primary duties).

Bendy

[justajob]

No details on a plan that will change OPRs/EPRs and roll out over the holidays in two weeks. I'm guessing it will be flawless and value-added.

[Warrior]

Welp, that explains Welsh's weird-ass "dignity and respect" email from earlier this week.

Glad I'm not the only one who said wtf when I got that email. I thought our primary mission was sex assault prevention. Turns out it's actually dignity and respect or something. I'll try harder to figure it out after my flight...

[Champ Kind]

For anyone in the know:

Several guys have asked me how line numbers for promotion are determined? I don't have a good answer. I've heard anecdotally that USAFA graduates have lower line numbers to keep their pin-on dates ahead of OTS/ROTC, but I've seen where that is not always the case.

Does the "scoring" from the board play into it at all?

[HU&W]

For anyone in the know:

Several guys have asked me how line numbers for promotion are determined? I don't have a good answer. I've heard anecdotally that USAFA graduates have lower line numbers to keep their pin-on dates ahead of OTS/ROTC, but I've seen where that is not always the case.

Does the "scoring" from the board play into it at all?

It does not. Promotion sequence is based solely on date of rank. If two people have the same date of rank, they follow the criteria listed in AFI 36-2501 para 3.7. In order to "game" the system to keep USAFA ahead, ROTC grads of the same year as USAFA grads have their date of rank after USAFA graduates.

The way line numbers usually play out is OTS grads ahead of USAFA promote first. Then there's a big group of USAFA grads that are arranged according to the AFI. Last are all OTS grads after the USAFA graduation mixed with ROTC grads.

Edited December 25, 2013 by HU&W

[Cell Dweller]

Back in the day, an ROTC admissions officer told me that date of rank for ROTC graduates was determined as the midpoint between commissioning and EAD date. One year, a class' DOR was 1 June for everyone, regardless of EAD, and USAFA's was 31 May. That admissions officer was full of shit.

[Goblin]

My DOR is 29 Dec... Commissioned 13 Dec and EAD ~13 Jan (ROTC) so there is some truth to the halfway argument.

That makes me the literal cutoff for my year group. Not sure how that might affect me in the future.

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[Right Seat Driver]

Back in the day, an ROTC admissions officer told me that date of rank for ROTC graduates was determined as the midpoint between commissioning and EAD date. One year, a class' DOR was 1 June for everyone, regardless of EAD, and USAFA's was 31 May. That admissions officer was full of shit.

I commissioned 27 Apr, EAD'd 27 May 07 and USAFA graduated around 30 May. I got to keep my 27 Apr DOR, as well as two other guys because we EAD'd before the USAFA graduation. Everyone else in my ROTC class had midpoint DORs.

Edited December 24, 2013 by Right Seat Driver

[Fuzz]

I commissioned 27 Apr 07, EAD'd 27 May 07 and USAFA graduated around 30 May. I got to keep my 27 Apr DOR, as well as two other guys because we EAD'd before the USAFA graduation. Everyone else in my ROTC class had midpoint DORs.

I think for some reason if you commission before May 1st then you keep you DOR. My entire UPT class was all guys who commissioned and EAD'd late April or early May, and the guys that commissioned in Apr kept theirs and everyone that commissioned in May ended up with the same DOR as the Academy.

[Spartacus]

I commissioned 27 Apr 07, EAD'd 27 May 07 and USAFA graduated around 30 May. I got to keep my 27 Apr DOR, as well as two other guys because we EAD'd before the USAFA graduation. Everyone else in my ROTC class had midpoint DORs.

I don't have the reg in front of me but the AF likes to play a lot of games with this. I commissioned beginning of May and was on AD at my first base by 20 May and the AF still put my DOR as 31 May. I was also told that if you are ROTC that your DOR is somewhere in between your commissioning date and your EAD unless you are in the month of May. In that case if you commission in May and enter AD in May it still won't matter. The reg will make it so that your DOR becomes 31 May to put you behind the AFA guys. Seems like a load of B.S. and I know more than one person that this has stung.

[Skitzo]

I am a 04 grad from riddle and my line number is 520. I graduated in the spring.

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[olevelo]

My DOR is 29 Dec... Commissioned 13 Dec and EAD ~13 Jan (ROTC) so there is some truth to the halfway argument.

That makes me the literal cutoff for my year group. Not sure how that might affect me in the future.

You just end up with pretty much the last line number. But you'll promote to O-4 the same day as the rest of the last group, which could be anywhere from 100-500 folks depending how they do it.

[stract]

they have 9 tie-breakers, is this because they actually needed them at one point, or someone got bored? Reverse SSN with lowest number winning...I supposed if you and your twin were equally ranked at the Zoo, then that one would come into play.

[albertschu]

I don't have the reg in front of me but the AF likes to play a lot of games with this. I commissioned beginning of May and was on AD at my first base by 20 May and the AF still put my DOR as 31 May. I was also told that if you are ROTC that your DOR is somewhere in between your commissioning date and your EAD unless you are in the month of May. In that case if you commission in May and enter AD in May it still won't matter. The reg will make it so that your DOR becomes 31 May to put you behind the AFA guys. Seems like a load of B.S. and I know more than one person that this has stung.

Might be worth checking the reg. Sounds like it might have been misapplied in your case.

they have 9 tie-breakers, is this because they actually needed them at one point, or someone got bored? Reverse SSN with lowest number winning...I supposed if you and your twin were equally ranked at the Zoo, then that one would come into play.

Or two non-priors in same OTS class that happen to have been born on the same day.

[Spartacus]

Might be worth checking the reg. Sounds like it might have been misapplied in your case.

I brought this up to AFPC a year or so after commissioning. They said the reg was applied correctly in my case. Here is what DoDI 1310.01, August 23, 2013 says:

5. DATE OF RANK OF SECOND LIEUTENANTS OR ENSIGNS APPOINTED IN MAY OR

JUNE NOT THROUGH THE SERVICE ACADEMIES. The date of rank of second lieutenants

or ensigns appointed in accordance with section 2106 or 2107 of Reference (f) in May or June of

any year who enter active duty during either of those months is the date that the class of cadets or

midshipmen graduated from one of the Service Academies. Such appointees who enter active

duty before the graduation date of the appropriate Service Academy may take precedence over

academy graduates. Within such groups of section 2106 and 2107 of Reference (f) appointees,

distinguished military graduates may take precedence.

So, I think the interpretation is that if you commission in May and EAD before the academy cadets commission then you "may" get an earlier DOR as a 2Lt than the academy types if you were a DG.

Edited December 26, 2013 by Spartacus

[albertschu]

I brought this up to AFPC a year or so after commissioning. They said the reg was applied correctly in my case. Here is what DoDI 1310.01, August 23, 2013 says:

5. DATE OF RANK OF SECOND LIEUTENANTS OR ENSIGNS APPOINTED IN MAY OR

JUNE NOT THROUGH THE SERVICE ACADEMIES. The date of rank of second lieutenants

or ensigns appointed in accordance with section 2106 or 2107 of Reference (f) in May or June of

any year who enter active duty during either of those months is the date that the class of cadets or

midshipmen graduated from one of the Service Academies. Such appointees who enter active

duty before the graduation date of the appropriate Service Academy may take precedence over

academy graduates. Within such groups of section 2106 and 2107 of Reference (f) appointees,

distinguished military graduates may take precedence.

So, I think the interpretation is that if you commission in May and EAD before the academy cadets commission then you "may" get an earlier DOR as a 2Lt than the academy types if you were a DG.

It looks like they have "fixed the glitch". ROTC grads that went active prior to USAFA graduation used to get earlier DORs.

[Right Seat Driver]

It looks like they have "fixed the glitch". ROTC grads that went active prior to USAFA graduation used to get earlier DORs.

I don't see a problem with this. If you EAD while USAFA guys are still cadets, then the earlier DOR should stand.

[Fuzz]

Except foe those of us that were already on AD for 2-3 weeks by the time they commission. If you EAD May 1st your DOR gets moved back almost a month to match the USAFA DOR.

[Right Seat Driver]

Except foe those of us that were already on AD for 2-3 weeks by the time they commission. If you EAD May 1st your DOR gets moved back almost a month to match the USAFA DOR.

Right. What is the problem of keeping your original DOR If you were a ROTC grad that was on AD for 2-3 weeks as a 2d Lt before the USAFA guys graduated? You were a 2d Lt when they were still cadets and should keep your original DOR and not a halfway date the MPF draws from the lottery.