GKinnear Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 The percentages given for staff pushes seemed generous from what I've always heard. 1% vs 5% for CJCS, etc. I assume that it changes year to year, like the overall selection rate, or is it entirely up to the SR?
xaarman Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 Where's the writing guide for those who aren't #1 of everything? 1
Vetter Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 I come back every now and then to read these threads. I am so fucking glad I left the shit show. A Weapon's School PRF guide? YGTBSM!
backseatdriver Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 I come back every now and then to read these threads. I am so fucking glad I left the shit show. A Weapon's School PRF guide? YGTBSM! Dude. It's PRF guidance for the Weapns School organization, not PRF "TTPs" published by the WS. Contrary to popular belief, WS instructors have to compete for promotion too.
Nineline Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Fellas - it may be too late, but this has been passed around recently and there's still some good info here - whether you're writing PRFs, trying to help out those who are, or stuck writing your own in self preservation mode.... Chuck Chuck, I hadn't seen that before, thanks! There's a bunch of useful info in there for PRFs. And like you alluded to... this would have been especially useful three months ago when I was writing my own PRF! -9-
Vetter Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Dude. It's PRF guidance for the Weapns School organization, not PRF "TTPs" published by the WS. Contrary to popular belief, WS instructors have to compete for promotion too. No shit, dawg. I know what it is. Just seeing the examples they used was comical. 1
Danny Noonin Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Left? Didn't you say you got twice passed over for major? I love this mentality: AF: "you're fired vetter" VETTER: "uhhh....fuck you AF, I quit! ....and the AF is doomed and full of retards." Had they promoted you and given you a favorable assignment, you'd be singing a much different song and you know it. There's 3 types of people around here.....those that have decided the AF is best for them and stay, those that have decided to separate in pursuit of something better, and finally, those that were forced out. You're in the third group, but with the added feature that It somehow makes you feel better about yourself to pretend that you had a choice in the matter. Biggest douchebag post I've seen in a long while 2 2
Vetter Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Actually I tried to quit during the VSP fiasco of 2011, then got passed over. So here's how it actually went: Vetter: "uhhhh, fuck you AF, I quit!...and the AF is doomed and full of retards." AF: No, you can't quit. We need you. AF: Here's you a great assignment and we need you there, but we're not going to promote you! Vetter: Perfect! I get to fly Hogs in AZ for 2 more years then I can get out a year early! AF: Vetter, you're passed over twice now, but we need your skills. So you can stay until 20 years as a Captain. Vetter: Haha! Fuck you! Deuces! AF: Fine, but you're not getting invol sep pay. Fuck you! Vetter: Deuces! Break break! Vetter: No, Lt Col DudewhosignedmyPRF, I will not write you a letter of rec for my airline. Little different than your version. 6
Homestar Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 A Lt Col signed your PRF to Major? Then asked you for a LOR for your airline? Nice.
Vetter Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 I guess the good Col signed actually signed it. The Lt Col ran the rack and stack.
busdriver Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Dood, you got passed over for Major? That must have been an epic party! That said, you can poo poo the WIC PRF stuff all you want. It's actually difficult to compete when you're in the 57th wing. Not so much just making major, but schools and O-5 is a different animal when you're surrounded by weapons officers and the thunder birds. 2
Vetter Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Just glad I don't have to deal with it anymore. Especially being the shitbag that I was. I watched good bros suck dick for a #1 strat. That's where their transformation to the spineless type of leaders we have today begins. It's sad really...
General Chang Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Just glad I don't have to deal with it anymore. Especially being the shitbag that I was. I watched good bros suck dick for a #1 strat. That's where their transformation to the spineless type of leaders we have today begins. It's sad really... Young guys reading these posts: this is the exact type of officer you do not want to be like. For every Vetter, there's 10 officers putting others ahead of themselves. Seek out those guys/gals for mentorship and avoid the "Vetters" of the Air Force like the plague. 7
deaddebate Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) Edited February 3, 2015 by deaddebate 1
Fuzz Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Seek out those guys/gals for mentorship to learn to be good little yes-men and avoid the "Vetters" of the Air Force like the plague because rocking the boat, innovative thinking, and actual leadership is a huge headache for us careerists. FIFY 2
brabus Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) For every Vetter, there's 10 officers putting others ahead of themselves So the AF pulled a bunch of bullshit on Vetter (and on a lot of other dudes), he decided it was best for him to get out vs. eat the "Capt until 20" shit sandwich and somehow he's putting himself ahead of others? I don't know Vetter personally, but I do know several good dudes in the same situation he was in - none of them were shitbags or bad officers, they simply got thrown to the side by an AF who doesn't give a shit about anyone. Let me guess, you're one of those people who thinks those who get out pre-20+ are selfish, screwing others, don't understand the meaning of service, etc. We certainly need good dudes to stay and be good leadership in the future, but those who do not want to take that path are not bad officers or putting themselves above others. They did their time and gave a shitload more than 99% of this country - good on them, they deserve a "thanks" at minimum, not this bullshit. Edited February 3, 2015 by brabus 3
SurelySerious Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Young guys reading these posts: this is the exact type of officer you do not want to be like. Bullshit. What they don't want to be is you. People who have served have served and should be thanked. Everyone has to make their own decision when they are done.
Danny Noonin Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Young guys reading these posts: this is the exact type of officer you do not want to be like. For every Vetter, there's 10 officers putting others ahead of themselves. Seek out those guys/gals for mentorship and avoid the "Vetters" of the Air Force like the plague. Still a clown
USAF Pilot Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Young guys reading these posts: this is the exact type of officer you do not want to be like. For every Vetter, there's 10 officers putting others ahead of themselves. Seek out those guys/gals for mentorship and avoid the "Vetters" of the Air Force like the plague. I was going to PM Vetter for some career advice…good thing you stepped in or who knows what could have happened! 2
Day Man Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Young guys reading these posts: this is the exact type of officer you do not want to be like. For every Vetter, there's 10 officers putting others ahead of themselves. Seek out those guys/gals for mentorship and avoid the "Vetters" of the Air Force like the plague. And for every General Chang, there are 10 officers shirking their primary duties to plan holiday parties and increase their bros' work load. Unless you want to impress us all with your amazing credentials, stop belittling others service and recognize there's a problem.
sqwatch Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 So the AF pulled a bunch of bullshit on Vetter (and on a lot of other dudes), he decided it was best for him to get out vs. eat the "Capt until 20" shit sandwich and somehow he's putting himself ahead of others? I don't know Vetter personally, but I do know several good dudes in the same situation he was in - none of them were shitbags or bad officers, they simply got thrown to the side by an AF who doesn't give a shit about anyone. Let me guess, you're one of those people who thinks those who get out pre-20+ are selfish, screwing others, don't understand the meaning of service, etc. We certainly need good dudes to stay and be good leadership in the future, but those who do not want to take that path are not bad officers or putting themselves above others. They did their time and gave a shitload more than 99% of this country - good on them, they deserve a "thanks" at minimum, not this bullshit. Agreed. But I don't understand what is accomplished by pointing a digital finger on this forum to those who stayed/are staying in and saying "I told you so". When I leave- if it's next year or in nine more years, I will wish the best of luck to those still serving. In my humble neck of the Air Force, I work with the best folks I could have ever hoped to work with. 2
Vetter Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Chang, let's have a beer sometime. I'm serious. I think you'd realize I'm the officer that this AF needs. PM me.
di1630 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Young guys reading these posts: this is the exact type of officer you do not want to be like. Yes, young guys should strive to be the pilot turned exec that wants to climb the big blue ladder. I don't know Vetter but I know many good dudes who were great bros, terrific pilots and could have been awesome leaders had they stayed in. Likewise I know many dudes who used to be good dudes, decent pilots but traded it in to sit exec so they could go to school and get a strat. Given a choice is full my sq with dudes like Vetter over the USAF golden children anyday based on attitude alone. Face it Chang, the USAF leadership tracking system is balls-ass-broke! It's why the USAF is a shitshow held together by the hard tactically job focused workers who get punished by the system while ass-licking ball fondling square fillers get promoted. 2
Techsan Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Yes, young guys should strive to be the pilot turned exec that wants to climb the big blue ladder. I don't know Vetter but I know many good dudes who were great bros, terrific pilots and could have been awesome leaders had they stayed in. Likewise I know many dudes who used to be good dudes, decent pilots but traded it in to sit exec so they could go to school and get a strat. You know, just because one is an exec doesn't mean they still don't give a shit about flying. Most pilots worth a shit can do both. Chang is just stirring the pot here, as usual. I'm sure he laughs as he's posting in anticipation of the likely fired up responses he's likely to get.
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now