brabus Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) All they've done is trick-###### the numbers so that not every single seat at IDE is occupied by a select. Wasted effort on the trick-fucking; all they have to do is keep chugging along like they are and the bullshit will continue to naturally weed out selects from going to IDE in the form of two big middle fingers combined with a guard/reserve/airline job. Edited April 10, 2015 by brabus
Muscle2002 Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 They cut waaaaaay back on equivalency credit this year as well. You can only get DE credit if you are 1) a DE select on your board and 2) did the program during your DE window. What's up with that? Any ideas or RUMINT? ZB Basically, it boils down to "Complete", "Select" or nothing are the only things that show on your OSB at a promotion board, thus giving credit is not as important now as it used to be. At least, that was how it was explained during my own experience with gaining credit out of cycle.
11F Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 The line Lieutenant Colonel board results will be released on 09-June. 1
DirkDiggler Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Anyone seen the list/have any info on the stats for this latest LtCol board? Been away from my .mil computer.
Chicken Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 (edited) Anyone seen the list/have any info on the stats for this latest LtCol board? Been away from my .mil computer. Don't have all the stats.. but overall 72% promotion rate. As far as AFSOC... the "P" had a promotion rate of 28%....just wow. Also know of one WIC (DG) passed over as well. Guess it's not an O5 patch anymore. Edited June 10, 2015 by Chicken
Homestar Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 (edited) Edit to add: With DP carrying so much weight at this level, Wing Commanders are really the ones promoting people, which is probably a good thing. Edited June 11, 2015 by Homestar
D_Vezencuando Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 The "non-select" phone call came Monday. Unfortunately, a Wg/CC DP wasn't enough... But here's a toast to the selects. To those who didn't - To those who did! A round on me...
brwwg&b Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Don't have all the stats.. but overall 72% promotion rate. As far as AFSOC... the "P" had a promotion rate of 28%....just wow. Also know of one WIC (DG) passed over as well. Guess it's not an O5 patch anymore. Overall those with only a "P" promoted at 36% across the board
Nineline Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) Here's some more stats I pulled from the promotion list: 1,451 total selects - 145 were BTZ with school - 72 were I/APZ with school - 1,234 were I/APZ Personally, I'd like to know more about the DP non selects... Is this because SRs are trying to play the system? Or items missing from their promotion folder? I'm sure these guys are good dudes, and we're supposed to have checks and balances to double check that the DPs go to the right people. -9- Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited June 11, 2015 by Nineline
Azimuth Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 So it's good to be a Mission Support guy with no PME and a DP.
Nineline Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) So it's good to be a Mission Support guy with no PME and a DP. The MSG and no PME qualifiers are red herrings. Truth be told, it's good to be a line officer with a DP regardless of any other qualifiers (IPZ speaking). -9- Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited June 11, 2015 by Nineline 1
HeloDude Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 The "non-select" phone call came Monday. Unfortunately, a Wg/CC DP wasn't enough... But here's a toast to the selects. To those who didn't - To those who did! A round on me... Were you IPZ? If so, damn, that sucks. Any negative indicators (if you don't mind sharing)--failed PT test in the past, LOR, etc? Quick math shows me that 58% of those IPZ got DP's...without doing the math for the previous years, I wonder how this compares to the recent past?
Techsan Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Were you IPZ? If so, damn, that sucks. Any negative indicators (if you don't mind sharing)--failed PT test in the past, LOR, etc? Quick math shows me that 58% of those IPZ got DP's...without doing the math for the previous years, I wonder how this compares to the recent past? The DP allocation was 40% last year for IPZ, and this year was 60%.
Champ Kind Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Anyone know when the PRF accounting date was for this year's LAF O-5 eligibles? No .mil access right now. Also know of one WIC (DG) passed over as well. IDE-complete (in any form)?
pcola Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Anyone know when the PRF accounting date was for this year's LAF O-5 eligibles? No .mil access right now. IDE-complete (in any form)? October, I think.
HeloDude Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 October, I think. Concur. The last 3-4 years it has always been the first couple of weeks in October. So for you non-top 25% Captains/Majors out there who want a decent shot at making O-5, become familiar with what the PRF accounting date is and work with your leadership (and AFPC) to plan accordingly. PCS'ing to your new job less than a few months before the IPZ PRF accounting date is (in most cases) not recommended...so try not to get lost (and screwed) in the shuffle.
Karl Hungus Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 So for you non-top 25% Captains/Majors out there who want a decent shot at making O-5, become familiar with what the PRF accounting date is and work with your leadership (and AFPC) to plan accordingly. Lots of those types have planned accordingly and will continue to do so by going to the ARC to make O-5.
D_Vezencuando Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Were you IPZ? If so, damn, that sucks. Any negative indicators (if you don't mind sharing)--failed PT test in the past, LOR, etc? Quick math shows me that 58% of those IPZ got DP's...without doing the math for the previous years, I wonder how this compares to the recent past? Yeah, this was IPZ. My record was clean - PT tests in the high 90's too. First thing that comes to mind is a 6- and 12-month deployment bookended by mild or weak Senior Rater push lines. Beyond that, it's an admin fail or ..just.. anyone's guess. There was another comment about positioning non-selects for the APZ board. I'm laughing, because -in this case- I've been TDY en-route to PCS for the last three months. If I had a chance to be in anyone's top XX%, that ship has sailed. Offer still stands - selects and pass-overs get a round on me! 1
Techsan Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 I'm interested to hear how the twice passed over guys fared. Out of 3 guys I know, 2 were offered TERA, and 1 was continued. The one continued has prior RPA experience. Hmmmm.
pawnman Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Concur. The last 3-4 years it has always been the first couple of weeks in October. So for you non-top 25% Captains/Majors out there who want a decent shot at making O-5, become familiar with what the PRF accounting date is and work with your leadership (and AFPC) to plan accordingly. PCS'ing to your new job less than a few months before the IPZ PRF accounting date is (in most cases) not recommended...so try not to get lost (and screwed) in the shuffle. Assuming you have any control over when you PCS. I PCS'd right before the majors board...no DP. I knew I wasn't a shiny penny, but I didn't think I was in the bottom 25% of my year group. Well, at least I got promoted...so that's something. Plenty of room for the crusty old majors, twice passed over, teaching the new guys how to fly the jet at the FTU, I guess. Or, if even half the folks who got DPs and school slots who talk about getting out actually do it, the pool will be much shallower for my O-5 board.
Chicken Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Anyone know when the PRF accounting date was for this year's LAF O-5 eligibles? No .mil access right now. IDE-complete (in any form)? Yes
HeloDude Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Assuming you have any control over when you PCS. I PCS'd right before the majors board...no DP. I knew I wasn't a shiny penny, but I didn't think I was in the bottom 25% of my year group. Well, at least I got promoted...so that's something. Plenty of room for the crusty old majors, twice passed over, teaching the new guys how to fly the jet at the FTU, I guess. Or, if even half the folks who got DPs and school slots who talk about getting out actually do it, the pool will be much shallower for my O-5 board. For Major (with high promotion rates), the PRF accounting date isn't 'as important' (why I focused on O-5 board). As a Major, if you're not in the top 25% then you weren't a school select in your O-4 board (and these days getting picked up for IDE without being a select is very difficult) means that there's not always much of a difference necessarily between a guy in the top 1/3 or a guy in the middle, and that can mean the difference in getting a DP/strong push or not. Most likely the guy signing your PRF, and more importantly the O-5's and O-6's in your chain, are most likely to push harder for a person they know and have seen work hard for the last 2-3 years vs a guy who just PCS'd a few months before they rack and stack the guys meeting their IPZ board. As for AFPC screwing people over on PCS'ing people right before their PRF accounting date, my personal experience (and anecdotal evidence from my buds) is that they try and not do this, especially when you or your CC reminds them of the fact and that delaying the PCS for a few months could mean the difference in your career. YMMV, but if you don't understand the process and aren't at least trying to fight for yourself then you only have yourself to blame for not taking ownership of the process as best you could. Now for those who don't want to make/don't care about making O-5 then sure, do what you want. Unfortunately, these days some really good people are being shown the door early for not getting promoted, which totally sucks, but is the reality. So why not at least try and help yourself as much as you can by just speaking up? Just my $.02
BonedRiver Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 I'm interested to hear how the twice passed over guys fared. Out of 3 guys I know, 2 were offered TERA, and 1 was continued. The one continued has prior RPA experience. Hmmmm. I know of 1 x continued 11B, 2 x non-continued/TERA 11Bs & 1 x non-continued/TERA 12B. Continuation this year = stay in or decline & get out with nothing but a kick in the ass. non-continuation = TERA if eligible (lottery!) or sep. pay if not TERA eligible.
Chicken Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 I know of 1 x continued 11B, 2 x non-continued/TERA 11Bs & 1 x non-continued/TERA 12B. Continuation this year = stay in or decline & get out with nothing but a kick in the ass. non-continuation = TERA if eligible (lottery!) or sep. pay if not TERA eligible. How is someone not TERA eligible at their APZ?
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