Future T-38 replacement?

[FourFans]

6 hours ago, SurelySerious said:

Bingo. You want some things to be tacticle and always available at a moments notice, not buried in a screen. Reference professional SLR cameras. Still have a bunch of buttons because it’s good human factors. 

In the C-130 (classic and J models) tactile switch difference is clutch in several time sensitive situations (airdrop, NVG airland, etc).  Several switches require touch only for identification, and that streamlines human factors. Touch screens are neat a ground speed zero, but they reduce capability in a tactical and time sensitive environment because they require visual verification (a.k.a. diverted attention).  Compound that with turbulence, smoke/fumes, and task saturation, and those screens will be a liability.  Thank engineers, but i'll keep my switches.

[RTB]

On 2/8/2018 at 1:06 PM, Prozac said:

My airline recently started installing touch screens in place of physical CDUs. 

Saw a picture of one of these the other day.  Looked essentially identical to our FMS recreated entirely on a touchscreen.  My first thought was, I would waste a lot of time punching the wrong buttons.  I suspect changing your active waypoint, altitudes, airspeeds, etc in the box on climbout on a nice bumpy day would be a PITA.

[Clark Griswold]

T-50A video

If you have ADHD, go to 1:00 and the BVR A2A virtual engagement training scenario and 1:50 A2G scenario.  

[matmacwc]

That should be the winner.

[RTB]

Wow, that's pretty awesome.  

[Clark Griswold]

It is impressive and they probably have the inside lane but to balance things out here's Leonardo's T-100 integrated training system page:

https://www.leonardodrs.com/products-and-services/t-100-integrated-training-system/t-100-embedded-training-program/

and Boeing's

https://www.boeing.com/defense/t-x/index.page?gclid=Cj0KCQiA2snUBRDfARIsAIGfpqHQLQAOEossg9gCAIfC9o6Tg40ukrUC1CBZjiXD5aahfqXskHHzJ7MaAhVjEALw_wcB#/video-player/boeing-t-x-real-as-it-gets-training

 

[Danny Noonin]

Never, ever, ever believe the glossy brochure.

[Clark Griswold]

Never, ever, ever believe the glossy brochure.

True but all of them seem like a major leap in capability if even only 75% true of their advertised capability

[xcraftllc]

Anyone have any new gouge on the decision timeline?

[BashiChuni]

34 minutes ago, xcraftllc said:

Anyone have any new gouge on the decision timeline?

same timeline Light Attack has been on

amazing we went to the moon 8 years after kennedy made it the goal.

these days we can't get shit done: Light attack, T-38 replacement, new tanker. too much red tape, leaders with no sack. SAD!

[Clark Griswold]

2 hours ago, xcraftllc said:

Anyone have any new gouge on the decision timeline?

No gouge but wiki says 2023 and the ref for that was from 2013 (AF Times).  Sounds about right for today's FUBAR acquisition process.

[FourFans]

11 hours ago, Clark Griswold said:

...if even only 75% true of their advertised capability

With that many retired GO's involved, the 10% rule is definitely in play.

[ClearedHot]

Even if they make a decision they can still cancel it...look no further than JSTARS last week.

[YoungnDumb]

I'm wiling to be the T-38 will go the way of the BUFF.

[HuggyU2]

For those of you currently at an AETC pilot training base, how many hours are on those AETC T-38C's?

[ShavedDogsAss]

For those of you currently at an AETC pilot training base, how many hours are on those AETC T-38C's?

22k is the average I'm seeing.

Anything less than 20k still has that new plane smell.

[matmacwc]

And like 6 single point of failure last time I looked.  

[schokie]

How common are these dual loss of thrust events?

https://www.vance.af.mil/News/Article/1452397/vance-t-38-instructor-pilots-earn-air-medals/

Sounds like great piloting. I also didn't know you could get an Air Medal for peacetime flying. 

[ThreeHoler]

How common are these dual loss of thrust events?
https://www.vance.af.mil/News/Article/1452397/vance-t-38-instructor-pilots-earn-air-medals/
Sounds like great piloting. I also didn't know you could get an Air Medal for peacetime flying. 

You can get a DFC for teaching UPT if the situation is right. Just ask Johnny Weida.

[YoungnDumb]

Those events were due to contaminated fuel from another field.  Hats off to both those IP's, great dudes and awesome pilots.

[matmacwc]

19 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

 

You can get a DFC for teaching UPT if the situation is right. Just ask Johnny Weida.
 

 

Tell the story...

[icohftb]

With all these t38 crashes any updates on the t-x decision timeline?

[hindsight2020]

9 minutes ago, icohftb said:

With all these t38 crashes any updates on the t-x decision timeline?

None related to the crashes. That's making fvck all difference in the timeline.

Yeah we saw the AFOTEC slides. Selection decision this year (they're already late), prob turn of the fiscal. As to IOC? LOL. Dude, 2023 at the earliest.This entire thing can shift right with a single call for arbitration. Boeing ) being the usual whiny bitch, is one of the participants so that probably means this thing will get stonewalled to the right.

BL, the cavalry ain't coming bud. The T-X canard at this point is like posterity...the fvck has it done for me lately?

 

 

[HuggyU2]

1 hour ago, icohftb said:

With all these t38 crashes any updates on the t-x decision timeline?

While the T-38 is older than you want, don't try to make this an issue.  

AETC pushed the C-model.  Lots of "new shit" on the jet.  The got what they asked for.  The millions of $$$ spent on the PMP and the MB seat (how many millions???) would have been useful elsewhere.  

A-models with 21,000 hours are doing pretty well from a safety viewpoint.  

Yes, the fleet needs to be replaced.  No argument there.  

No:  Paul's jet having dual airframe-mounted gearbox failures is more a function of shitty maintenance than anything else.  As a retiree, I'm not "in the know" as much as I'd like to be on his death.  Yet.  But I'd gladly jump in ANY Beale T-38 and go fly it.  Because Beale has some quality guys working those jets.  

And I'll continue to fly the civilian T-38 without any qualms.  It's well maintained, and the seat is solid, in the unlikely event I need it.  

T-38 crashes should have no bearing on T-X timeline.  It should be based on the fact we need an upgraded trainer for our future F-22 and F-35 pilots. 

Edited August 26, 2018 by HuggyU2

[Homestar]

Is the idea that the T-X will become a single trainer to replace both the T-38 and T-1?  If so, that would take at least a month off the timeline already dedicated to phase III academics and help accelerate graduation.  Just in time for class 25-01 I guess....