Track Selects and Assignment Nights

[kaputt]

ENJJPT 16-02

B-52

F-15C x 2 (Both Guard)

A-10 x 2 (1 Guard)

F-16 x 5 (2 Guard)

F-22

F-15E x 2

T-38C

T-6

KC-10

RC-135

C-130

F-18 x 2 Canada

Eurofighter - Italy

 

Edited November 23, 2015 by kaputt

[stract]

RC-130?

[spaceman]

RC-130?

Didn't know they dropped those to UPT studs... I thought they were only taking spec ops fighter pilots

[Duck]

Yeah, Sheppard sucks for those guys that end up in heavies. It was supposed to be an RC-135 but instead there was a picture of a MC-130 and it said Offutt AFB. It obviously wasn't done with any ulterior motives, just a simple mistake, but the most disconcerting part was no one from leadership or with a mic corrected it after it flashed up on the screen. It sucks enough to be one of the few that don't get FAIP/fighter (if you wanted it).

[guineapigfury]

"Sucks" is relative, they should be happy they're not going to MQ-9s.

[Duck]

Sorry I should clarify, not the assignment itself but the treatment post drop night.

[PK...]

Anybody know if the CV-22 was a student or a FAIP?

Student. 

Starting this FY, the CV-22 is once again open to Rucker; however, my understanding is that it's not exclusive to helo studs (as it used to be). AFPC will still pull from the T-1 / T-38 tracks as needed. 

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PK... 

[Seriously]

Sorry I should clarify, not the assignment itself but the treatment post drop night.

I've never been to Sheppard, but I can only hope that I don't ever get assigned to that place. What a circle jerk. 

[Danger41]

I'm a Sheppard grad and making broad generalizations about how guys that don't get fighters are treated is BS. That's purely an individual thing. Just because all the studs fly T-38's doesn't mean that it's fighter or bust. Case in point, I went through as they made the drops universally assignable. My Flight CC went out to find heavy guys to talk with us about that lifestyle. The dream sheets shifted dramatically afterwards and they went out to align guys as best they could. Total good through winging. Data point, we had 1/3 get fighters and 1 faip.

IP's that treat students differently based on their drops are probably the one tour Viper/Eagle douche that got sent to UPT instead of allowed to continue in their community. They're convinced it's politics and not because they suck as human beings. 

[Duck]

Sheppard is rapidly changing. There aren't even enough US fighter dudes to fill the T-38 side of the house. A couple T-38 turned Heavy dudes got orders to T-38s there recently and the Wing Commander tried to turn them down. AFPC said "okay but the slots will go unfilled, there are no 11Fs available." So heavy dudes have fully infiltrated ENJJPT now.

[Danger41]

Tried to turn them down eh? That's funny/pathetic.

 

Sorry to hear that about Sheppard. The Wing CC when I was there was awesome, and seemed to genuinely care about the studs. I even flew with him in IFF a couple times and he was awesome. 

I know nothing about the current commander, but putting his 98.7 combat hours on his bio tells me a lot.

[Azimuth]

It's hard to get combat time when he's done three AETC assignments. The Vice is too busy making Discovery Channel specials.

Edited November 27, 2015 by Azimuth

[Ram]

Combat time in Northern and Southern Watch flying Eagles.

That's all I care to say about that.

[guineapigfury]

Tried to turn them down eh? That's funny/pathetic.

 

Sorry to hear that about Sheppard. The Wing CC when I was there was awesome, and seemed to genuinely care about the studs. I even flew with him in IFF a couple times and he was awesome. 

I know nothing about the current commander, but putting his 98.7 combat hours on his bio tells me a lot.

I've had months where I got more than that.

[Harpy]

Yeah, Sheppard sucks for those guys that end up in heavies. It was supposed to be an RC-135 but instead there was a picture of a MC-130 and it said Offutt AFB. It obviously wasn't done with any ulterior motives, just a simple mistake, but the most disconcerting part was no one from leadership or with a mic corrected it after it flashed up on the screen. It sucks enough to be one of the few that don't get FAIP/fighter (if you wanted it).

Duck is spot on, I think half of the leadership there thought that was a legit assignment.  It's dissapointing that by the time someone reaches O-5 can know so little about the rest of the Air Force (particularly when they are deciding the future of young Lt's).  

 

[Duck]

Yeah I just don't see them flashing a picture of a Viper and saying it was a F-15C. Although that would make me laugh to watch the C model guys get their panties in a bunch. Kidding!

[Azimuth]

Kidding!

No you're not!

[Razor666]

On the subject of ENJJPT/Sheppard from a dude that graduated from there and is now there doing the whole flying thing, the comments above are pretty spot on. The place has just turned into a giant political circle J that likes to point out that it's an "international" program and "NATO" based and cares more about how it looks and acts politically among its partners than it actually cares about the training. Hell, the place sweeps up problems underneath the rug all the time to save face! A German Squad CC just got fired on the T-6 side of things after being at the helm for at most four months. The brass said he left because of personal reasons but the middle management has whispered behind the scenes saying the dude got canned for some seriously heinous stuff. On the T-6 side the fighter guys and heavy guys get along pretty well and develop a good atmosphere for the studs and paints a pretty good picture that there is more to the Air Force then being a Fighter/FAIP/Bomber guy. The 38 side is a lot different. Obviously a lot more focused on the Fighter side but I would argue to the point where they definitely put down and make fun of the "herbivores" as being lesser pilots and doing less of the mission. Hell, they even make fun of flying bombers and spec ops! Dudes that are doing the mission as we speak!  Now take that attitude as a student and roll that into drop night when you made it to the point of receiving an aircraft assignment from one of the hardest pilot training programs in the world and do not happen to get a fighter or FAIP because as well all know here, luck and timing are everything. That dude now feels a little bit less of themselves because the IPs they talked to and flew with in the past took a dump all over the aircraft that stud dropped. And as for the top brass here.....golly. I'll just let the combat hours and TV talk show host speak for themselves....

[Duck]

I can say as an instructor, behind the scenes there is a lot of hate brewing there due to the current climate.

[Duck]

[di1630]

You guys must elaborate a bit on the top brass/climate they create so we can learn.

I just looked up the bios, laughed a bit.

[Duck]

I initially wrote more but thought better of it. I'll say that 3 people on the t-6 side could go to the IG or congress.

[Jaded]

The IG? Is that the office that helps legitimized illegal commander actions? 

[di1630]

Not looking for detailed specifics...more of a broad overview of why the climate is poor.

[10percenttruth]

On the subject of ENJJPT/Sheppard from a dude that graduated from there and is now there doing the whole flying thing, the comments above are pretty spot on. The place has just turned into a giant political circle J that likes to point out that it's an "international" program and "NATO" based and cares more about how it looks and acts politically among its partners than it actually cares about the training. Hell, the place sweeps up problems underneath the rug all the time to save face! A German Squad CC just got fired on the T-6 side of things after being at the helm for at most four months. The brass said he left because of personal reasons but the middle management has whispered behind the scenes saying the dude got canned for some seriously heinous stuff. On the T-6 side the fighter guys and heavy guys get along pretty well and develop a good atmosphere for the studs and paints a pretty good picture that there is more to the Air Force then being a Fighter/FAIP/Bomber guy. The 38 side is a lot different. Obviously a lot more focused on the Fighter side but I would argue to the point where they definitely put down and make fun of the "herbivores" as being lesser pilots and doing less of the mission. Hell, they even make fun of flying bombers and spec ops! Dudes that are doing the mission as we speak!  Now take that attitude as a student and roll that into drop night when you made it to the point of receiving an aircraft assignment from one of the hardest pilot training programs in the world and do not happen to get a fighter or FAIP because as well all know here, luck and timing are everything. That dude now feels a little bit less of themselves because the IPs they talked to and flew with in the past took a dump all over the aircraft that stud dropped. And as for the top brass here.....golly. I'll just let the combat hours and TV talk show host speak for themselves....

I agree that attitude is utter bullshit from IPs, but it's not exclusive to SPS or -38s, unfortunately. Hell, just sit in on any assignment night at any UPT base & wait for a guy to drop a bomber or JSTARS, the room gets quiet & everyone looks at the dude like he just got diagnosed with stage 4 ass cancer. It's fucked up & a really great way to send dudes who just did something that 99.9% of the population could never do off on the rest of their careers. God knows i'd rather have to retrain a ton of salty copilots that are bitter about the pill fed to them by UPT than a batch of folks excited about the mission. /s