Track Selects and Assignment Nights

[Ram]

So we both agree that maintaining combat capability at our current levels is critical.  I'm good with that.  I even think we agree with the how, but - as you said - we are talking past each other.

Imagine:

1.  CGOs being left to be the tactical experts they need to be.

2.  FGOs making sure CGOs have the resources they need and are free of bullshit so the CGOs can do their jobs.

 

We need both.  I was focusing on the CGO side, and you're making sure we don't forget about #2.  Again - I'm good with that.

 

I think the fact that both #1 and #2 above have been mis-managed are our biggest CFs in this DFP.  Pilots ARE our biggest asset, and the young guys feel like their time has been wasted by distractions that have held them back from being the tactical mofo CGOs they want to be.  You said it yourself above:  Masters degrees, bake sales, christmas parties...etc...that's not why guys have signed 10 years of their lives away to wear wings.  

They wanted wings because they want to WIN and wanted to be on a winning team.  This is half of the manning problem.

You're talking about the other half:  Burn out.  You can't change the fact that military life is hard, but treating manpower like it's some easily-replenishable resource (you know, the way A1 manages manpower...poorly) is killing us.  You can't buy a CAF IP with 10 years of experience or just re-recruit one.

 

There is a price for a CAF IP with 10 years of experience.  A1 thinks that price is $25K/year for 9 years.  I disagree.  The price is a 10 year wait to replace that CAF IP.

 

Our problems aren't going away until we recognize that we need to let dudes be tactical AND also be cognizant of the fact that they can find happiness elsewhere, should dissatisfaction with active duty grow too large.

[Thor]

Any updates on selects/assignments?

[FishBowl]

  On 11/29/2016 at 4:01 AM, Thor said:

Any updates on selects/assignments?

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I believe there's a drop this Friday. I need to get my drinkin' flightsuit ready. 

[FishBowl]

B2 at DLF

[FishBowl]

And f-35

[Don Frank]

XL 17-03

HC-130J

2 x KC-135

C-21

2 x KC-10

RC-135

2 x C-130J

C-130H

E-3

T-1 FAIP

F-16

F-35

A-10

T-38 FAIP

F-15E

B-2

[Dudemanbro]

Columbus 17-03

38s:

3 x F16

2 x A10

F15E

F35

 

T1:

2 x KC135s to Kansas
2 x U28s to Hurlburt 
Ac130 to Hurlburt 
T6 faip
Cv 22 to Hurlburt
2 x c17 
Some guard 130s, didn't catch any AD
T1 FAIP

[Sparkle]

EN 17-02
Active 
F-35A x 2 
F-15E x 3
F-16C x 2 
F-15C x 1
A-10C x 1
B-1B x 1
T-38C FAIP x 1 
T-6A FAIP x 1
Buff x 2 
B-2 x 1

Guard/Reserve
F-15C x 2 Mass, Louisiana 
F-16C x 3

Foreign 
Canadian CF-18 x 2
Danish F-16 x 1
 

[Duck]

So glad we found a solution to the fighter pilot shortage.


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[Thor]

  On 12/3/2016 at 1:59 PM, Rooster said:

Columbus 17-03

38s:

3 x F16

2 x A10

F15E

F35

 

T1:

2 x KC135s to Kansas
2 x U28s to Hurlburt 
Ac130 to Hurlburt 
T6 faip
Cv 22 to Hurlburt
2 x c17 
Some guard 130s, didn't catch any AD
T1 FAIP

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I read in another thread (from like 6-8 years ago) that U-28s were dropping at a relatively equal rate from 38s and 1s... is this still true today? Or is the best route to U-28s the T-1? Thanks!

[di1630]

  On 1/3/2017 at 6:06 AM, Thor said:

I read in another thread (from like 6-8 years ago) that U-28s were dropping at a relatively equal rate from 38s and 1s... is this still true today? Or is the best route to U-28s the T-1? Thanks!

6-9 years ago was a different AF....if you go thru 38s today, I'd expect a fighter. That being said, if you want a u28 talk to your flt cc in t-6s early so they can guide you.


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[Danger41]

^Great advice.  Most of the new guys we get in U-28's are from T-1's nowadays.  The T-38 guys we get are usually the top grads that choose it (purely antecdotal from 1 of 3 ops squadrons). That doesn't mean you have no chance if you go T-38's and aren't the top grad, but your odds are much higher of ending up in a Viper/Eagle.

[Ahab GZ]

4 AD helps from DLF last track. 

[Duck]

  On 1/3/2017 at 7:30 PM, Danger41 said:

^Great advice.  Most of the new guys we get in U-28's are from T-1's nowadays.  The T-38 guys we get are usually the top grads that choose it (purely antecdotal from 1 of 3 ops squadrons). That doesn't mean you have no chance if you go T-38's and aren't the top grad, but your odds are much higher of ending up in a Viper/Eagle.

Oh how the times have changed... lol


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[Thor]

Any update from the drops tonight?

[Dudemanbro]

  On 1/7/2017 at 4:09 AM, Thor said:

Any update from the drops tonight?

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CBM 17-04:

38s:

2 x F16 to Hollowman

1 x F16 to Tucson

(2 Iraqi F16s, 1 Saudi F15c)

1 x A10 DM

1 x T6 Faip

1 x F22 Tyndall

 

T1s:

2 x C130J to Dyess

T1 FAIP

E3 Tinker

2 x E8 Warner Robbins (1AD, 1ANG

C17 West Virginia ANG

C146 Duke

CV22 Cannon

C130J Yokota

C5 Travis 

Edited January 7, 2017 by Rooster

[Snooter]

Hey where is my replacement in the c-17 coming from?  2x17's across three bases?  Hell maybe I should go to altus; hellllooooo CT sorties...

[Boomer6]

END 17-04

F-16

F-15E

F-15C

A-10

T-38 FAIP

B-2

B-52

 

[TnkrToad]

  On 1/7/2017 at 3:28 PM, Snooter said:

Hey where is my replacement in the c-17 coming from?  2x17's across three bases?  Hell maybe I should go to altus; hellllooooo CT sorties...

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Looks like heavies are getting shorted across the board--C-5s, KC-135s, KC-10s getting shorted, too. Folks getting C-130s here and there, but the numbers hardly seem adequate--especially considering the need to fill both AD and ARC units. The SUPT drops would make one think the AF is awash in heavy drivers/don't need any more. I don't think our rated managers are seeing what I'm seeing . . .

[Ulysses]

  On 1/7/2017 at 4:28 PM, TnkrToad said:

Looks like heavies are getting shorted across the board--C-5s, KC-135s, KC-10s getting shorted, too. Folks getting C-130s here and there, but the numbers hardly seem adequate--especially considering the need to fill both AD and ARC units. The SUPT drops would make one think the AF is awash in heavy drivers/don't need any more. I don't think our rated managers are seeing what I'm seeing . . .

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There are posts over in the ACP thread (some from daynightindicator, specifically) that make it sound like MAF slots are definitely going to be deprioritized, and a lot of T-1 studs will be going to bombers. Does this mean we're gonna see a 700-800 man shortage in heavies in a few years vs. the 11F shortage we're seeing now? Apparently the info is directly from AFPC.

[skylin3]

Vance 17-04

T-1 Side:

AC-130U Hurlburt

CV-22 Hurlburt (Me)

KC-135 March ARB

KC-135 McConnell

KC-135 Fairchild

C-17 McChord

C-5M Travis AFB

E-8 Robins AFB

T-1 FAIP Vance

C-130J Little Rock

[mcbush]

I'd argue we're already not far off from there. The number from Dewey right now is that AMC is short by 315, and like somebody pointed out in the ACP thread, that's after a reduction to the crew ratio in some airframes to try to make the slides greener. I think everybody knows how this one's gonna play out...

[Ulysses]

Time to contract FedEx to carry our shit around! I wonder if UPS could do the aerial refueling.

[TnkrToad]

  On 1/7/2017 at 4:56 PM, Ulysses said:

Time to contract FedEx to carry our shit around! I wonder if UPS could do the aerial refueling.

Omega Air already does contract AR; I'm sure they'd be happy to take on more requirements ...


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[LookieRookie]

  On 1/7/2017 at 4:56 PM, Ulysses said:

Time to contract FedEx to carry our shit around! I wonder if UPS could do the aerial refueling.

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Just allow the FedEx guys to log a AFTP on those contracted sorties too. Raise QoL for everyone.