HU&W Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Boomer6 said: FAIP plus get an 11B follow-on. Those dudes/dudettes have no incentive to crush themselves for 3 years by flying 3 times a day and volunteering for every stupid tasker that comes down from the boss. They don’t have to play the FAIP game at all, unless they’re trying to fly the B-21 I guess. It sucks but it might be better than 3 years of nut crushing only to lose out again. False hope is literally the AF’s favorite management tool. Without it, the Bobs might actually have to lead. 4 7
Duck Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 Back at ENJJPT you had to be in the top half of your class to FAIP, but during the glory days 15 out of 20 students would get fighters. So at worst the FAIP would be 10 out of 20 and five or six guys below him would go fly fighters. How bad it must have sucked when the FAIP drop came out and he ended up getting a bomber. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app
SurelySerious Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 Back at ENJJPT you had to be in the top half of your class to FAIP, but during the glory days 15 out of 20 students would get fighters. So at worst the FAIP would be 10 out of 20 and five or six guys below him would go fly fighters. How bad it must have sucked when the FAIP drop came out and he ended up getting a bomber. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile appThey’ve never expressed discontent about this, for sure!
Boomer6 Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 On 6/6/2022 at 11:06 AM, HU&W said: False hope is literally the AF’s favorite management tool. Without it, the Bobs might actually have to lead. Take my freaking up-vote. However, the bobs porked it away, now there’s no false hope for 11B follow on guys. Just hookin’ their way to a cush 3 year assignment racking up enough hours to go to the airlines when their ADSC is up. 1
the g-man Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 False hope is literally the AF’s favorite management tool. Without it, the Bobs might actually have to lead. It’s really the only management tool“Bust your ass and maybe you can get *insert desired assignment here*”“Do this to make sure you don’t close any doors”I quit that game years agoSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Arkbird Posted June 20, 2022 Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) KSPS 22-06 3xF-35 - Luke AFB 3xF-16 - TBD 3xEUROFIGHTER - Laage AB T-38A - Langley Tornado - Schleswig AB T-38C - Sheppard AFB T-6 - Sheppard AFB 2xB-52 - barksdale F-22 - Eglin CF-18 - cold lake, Alberta A-10 - Davis-Monthan Edited June 20, 2022 by Arkbird
Bode Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 T-6 FAIP drop to NAS Pensacola last night. Probably the best FAIP assignment in history. The real question is how will they compete on the tail end of their FAIP tour? No idea about anything else. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
Danger41 Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 That’s shocking. To the CSO school or cross over with the Navy?
GKinnear Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 15 hours ago, Bode said: CSO school house Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Was there a Joint Spouse or something else influencing that decision? Obviously, CSO IPs don't have the same instructional skill set...hell, the student doesn't even get to land the plane, much less get prepped to go fly a solo. I'd hazard a guess that the PNAS location is a placeholder for Whiting field where UPT is at. Regardless, yes...either way a FAIP assignment to Pensacola has to be the best thing going!
the g-man Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 Was there a Joint Spouse or something else influencing that decision? Obviously, CSO IPs don't have the same instructional skill set...hell, the student doesn't even get to land the plane, much less get prepped to go fly a solo. I'd hazard a guess that the PNAS location is a placeholder for Whiting field where UPT is at. Regardless, yes...either way a FAIP assignment to Pensacola has to be the best thing going! Nah. It was just tossed in there.No way it’s a placeholder for Whiting. The AF hasn’t sent a student there in over 7 yearsSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Bode Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 Was there a Joint Spouse or something else influencing that decision? Obviously, CSO IPs don't have the same instructional skill set...hell, the student doesn't even get to land the plane, much less get prepped to go fly a solo. I'd hazard a guess that the PNAS location is a placeholder for Whiting field where UPT is at. Regardless, yes...either way a FAIP assignment to Pensacola has to be the best thing going! Nope, it’s something they have been working to have happen for a few years.
WoAce Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 KCBM 22-13 drop U-28 - Hurlburt T-6 - Columbus C-21 - Scott KC-46 - McConnell C-17 - NC ANG C-130H - JASDF HC-130 - CA ANG C-17 - WV ANG MC-130J - PA ANG C-17 - McChord AFRC T-6 - NAS Pensacola (Pilot for Nav FAIP) KC-135 - March KC-46 - JBDML KC-135 - McConnell T-38 - Columbus B-2 - Whiteman T-38A - Langley T-6 - Columbus F-16 - TBD F-15E - Seymour Johnson F-5 - International
jice Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 On 7/16/2022 at 12:55 PM, Bode said: T-6 FAIP drop to NAS Pensacola last night. Probably the best FAIP assignment in history. The real question is how will they compete on the tail end of their FAIP tour? No idea about anything else. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yikes. Hopefully eligible only for CSO-carrying platforms. Strong incentive to do good and not be a douchecanoe. I flew for 10 years without having a clue what made a good CSO in a war machine. Gonna be tough for that person to have a clue.
Danger41 Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 I Thought a prerequisite for that job was to be a terminal O-5 on a fini tour. They must’ve needed a snacko or something. 2 1
WoAce Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 15 hours ago, jice said: Yikes. Hopefully eligible only for CSO-carrying platforms. Strong incentive to do good and not be a douchecanoe. I flew for 10 years without having a clue what made a good CSO in a war machine. Gonna be tough for that person to have a clue. Has an 11R (recon/tanker follow-on) the other faips were 11M(mobility) and 11F(fighter) 1
GKinnear Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 On 7/17/2022 at 10:38 AM, the g-man said: Nah. It was just tossed in there. No way it’s a placeholder for Whiting. The AF hasn’t sent a student there in over 7 years Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Well shit...now I feel old. I've been stuck in the CENTCOM version of hell for a few years and missed that decision. It's also a bummer, I enjoyed my time as a UPT stud there.
jazzdude Posted July 19, 2022 Posted July 19, 2022 Well shit...now I feel old. I've been stuck in the CENTCOM version of hell for a few years and missed that decision. It's also a bummer, I enjoyed my time as a UPT stud there.But they still send IPs there...
HuggyU2 Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 On 7/16/2022 at 2:51 PM, Danger41 said: That’s shocking. Not to many of us. For a long time, UPT grads were FAIP'd to Nav Training back when it was done with the T-37. Worked fine. Why does this seem to be a big deal?
Inertia17 Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 6 hours ago, HuggyU2 said: Why does this seem to be a big deal? I'd imagine because it seems like a good deal. USAF seems hell bent on killing them all. 1
Danger41 Posted July 25, 2022 Posted July 25, 2022 14 hours ago, HuggyU2 said: Not to many of us. For a long time, UPT grads were FAIP'd to Nav Training back when it was done with the T-37. Worked fine. Why does this seem to be a big deal? Shocking because all I’ve heard over the last several years is pilot shortage and sending a FAIP outside of pilot production is surprising. Not outside the dudes skills or anything, just a production standpoint. 1
HiAlph12 Posted August 5, 2022 Posted August 5, 2022 KSPS 22-07 F-22 F-16 x5 F-15E A-10 T-38C FAIP B-52 x2 B-1 C-130 x2 (RNAF) F-35 (RNAF) 2
WoAce Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 KCBM 22-14/22-14XPW C-17 - Charleston (1 active/2 reserve) T-6 (11M) - CBM x2 T-6 (11F) - CBM C-17 - Wright Patt C-17 - Dover KC-135 - Fairchild UH-60 - Japan KC-135 - McConnell E-8 - Robins x2- reserve KC-135 - Meridian (ANG) C-146 - Duke x2 KC-46 - McConnell KC-135 - Mildenhall C-17 - McChord x2 KC-135 - MacDill MC-130J - Kirtland KC-135 - IN ANG C-17 - WV ANG C-130H - IL ANG F-16 - TBD T-38 - ADAIR Langley
Arkbird Posted August 8, 2022 Posted August 8, 2022 7 hours ago, WoAce said: KCBM 22-14/22-14XPW C-17 - Charleston (1 active/2 reserve) T-6 (11M) - CBM x2 T-6 (11F) - CBM C-17 - Wright Patt C-17 - Dover KC-135 - Fairchild UH-60 - Japan KC-135 - McConnell E-8 - Robins x2- reserve KC-135 - Meridian (ANG) C-146 - Duke x2 KC-46 - McConnell KC-135 - Mildenhall C-17 - McChord x2 KC-135 - MacDill MC-130J - Kirtland KC-135 - IN ANG C-17 - WV ANG C-130H - IL ANG F-16 - TBD T-38 - ADAIR Langley XPW is still a thing? Is Columbus not on the 2.5 syllabus for everyone?
WoAce Posted August 8, 2022 Posted August 8, 2022 Yeah, Columbus still has 4-5 legacy classes left 2.5 is all new classes XPW class was either high performing ejection seat waiver (2) or prior flight experience between 500-2000 hours one or two more XPW classes may be a thing but not regularly scheduled 1
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