viper154 Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 MI-17 was a ALP student. They did not go through T-1s. There was 2 AD U.S. 38 studs. 1 was DQ medically half way through.
Mr.Elephant Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 XL 15-14T-38sB-52F-15EF-16T-6 FAIPF-15J x 2 (Japan)Singapore Fighter T-1sC-5 Travis AFRCC-17x3 (Hickam, McChord, Dover)C-21 ScottC-130J RamsteinC-130H MN AFRCHC-130J x 2 (moody, Davis-monthan)KC-135 MildenhallKC-135 Milwaukee ANGMQ-9 x 2 creechT-6 FAIPRC-135 Offutt
hispeed7721 Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 Are the Singapore pilots going to dual-qual in the F-15 and F-16? What does the slash mean?Not dual qual...they don't know what they get yet. When they get back home they go through more training and go to either the 15 or 16Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
FishBowl Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 That's a good amount of 38s at XL. At least relative to CBM.
herkbum Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 why did their countries send them through T-1s? Seems a little odd.The BAF Vice Chief of Staff is a huge proponent of UPT. A few yrs ago, I escorted him and his staff out to Randolph, Laughlin, and Little Rock to see first hand how we train. He was a big fan before, but even more so after the trip. And the bulk of their helos fall under the AF.
stract Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 The BAF Vice Chief of Staff is a huge proponent of UPT. A few yrs ago, I escorted him and his staff out to Randolph, Laughlin, and Little Rock to see first hand how we train. He was a big fan before, but even more so after the trip. And the bulk of their helos fall under the AF.ok, so then why don't they train their helo pilots like the USAF trains? AKA fixed wing then Rucker?
herkbum Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 ok, so then why don't they train their helo pilots like the USAF trains? AKA fixed wing then Rucker?Good question and I don't have an answer for it. My guess is that it comes down to money. They didn't get many UPT slots-I believe that may be 3rd one I have heard of. I've been out of that game for a little bit now, so things may have changed as well.
HeloDude Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 ok, so then why don't they train their helo pilots like the USAF trains? AKA fixed wing then Rucker?The only reason the AF started making their rotor wing pilots in the early 90's go through fixed wing phase 2 was to get higher numbers going through Tweets, to make the case for more T-6's. I think Hacker or someone discussed this years ago. It's actually silly to make rotor wing pilots spend the first 5-6 months in T-6's, to then learn a completely different kind of flying for the remaining phase 3.
stract Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 Then you agree it's silly for another country to send their helo pilots through a year of fixed wing first.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
carminsandiego Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 I thought it was more odd that the 38s only had 1 US student. Seriously. I'd be pretty pissed if I was gunning for a T-38 spot and it was all taken by some foreigners.
KState_Poke22 Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 Seriously. I'd be pretty pissed if I was gunning for a T-38 spot and it was all taken by some foreigners. Pretty sure it doesn't work the way you think it works... 2
HeloDude Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 Then you agree it's silly for another country to send their helo pilots through a year of fixed wing first. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOf course, but it's their slot (and I'm pretty sure their money), so they can send whoever they want. 1
LookieRookie Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 (edited) The Bulgarian student who got MI-17s is an Aviation Leadership Program student. The USAF asks and pays for countries to send students for pilot training. The ALP students go through an extended T-6 phase, but no advanced phase. It wasn't a waste for Bulgaria because it cost nothing to get a USAF trained product.See further:https://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_a3_5/publication/afi16-108/afi16-108.pdf Edited August 30, 2015 by LookieRookie
norskman Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 The only reason the AF started making their rotor wing pilots in the early 90's go through fixed wing phase 2 was to get higher numbers going through Tweets, to make the case for more T-6's. I think Hacker or someone discussed this years ago. It's actually silly to make rotor wing pilots spend the first 5-6 months in T-6's, to then learn a completely different kind of flying for the remaining phase 3. I have to agree. The saving grace is those dudes who develop the desire to live the helo low life during phase 2, and I speak from experience. A corrective action would be to add additional low level sorties to the phase 2 syllabus, 2 is not enough. It is appropriate considering the amount of airframes that fly low operationally.
Razor666 Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 ENJJPT 15-08 Drop:U.S. Active Duty OnlyF-16 x 3F-15ET-38A x 2C-130 (student requested)B-52A-10T-6 FAIPSolid drop for sure.
HossHarris Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 where are the 38s headed? Langley or Tyndall?
Razor666 Posted September 7, 2015 Posted September 7, 2015 What is the follow on for AT-38s? Also does anyone know what class is supposed to be dropping around the end of October at the other bases? I've heard a rumor that with the whole T-6 grounding shenanigans that occurred that the other bases washed back the classes that were suppose to drop in October except for Vance. Thanks for the help.
hispeed7721 Posted September 7, 2015 Posted September 7, 2015 16-01 should drop around 9 Oct and then 16-02 drops around 30 Oct...I think it's 16-02 or 16-03 that's the ghost classETA: I was thinking grad dates originally, updated with drop datesSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
hispeed7721 Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) 15-15 CBMT38Saudi A10 Davis Monthan AFBF15E Seymour Johnson AFBT6 FAIP CBM T1KC135 Meridian MS ANGKC135 Seymour Johnson NC ANGKC135 Eielson AK ANG x 2KC135 March AFB AFRCKC135 MD ANGKC135 RAF MildenhallKC135 Fairchild AFBE8 Robbins AFBC17 Travis AFBRC135 Offutt AFBC130J Ramstein T1 FAIP CBMT6 FAIP CBMMQ9 Cannon AFB x 2AC130W Cannon AFB Edited September 18, 2015 by hispeed7721
HAWDINGL Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Almost 20% of the AD guys from T-1s are getting the MQ-9. (Assuming the last few drop reports here have been accurate). For those of you dreamers reading this post... Choose wisely.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
spaceman Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 I think two per class was the stated planSent from my HTC6500LVW using Tapatalk
A man for all seasons Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) I think two per class was the stated planTwo per class for one year. Correct? Edited September 18, 2015 by A man for all seasons
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