Palace Chase info

[SurelySerious]

Well even Jalen Robinette is finding out that maybe the Air Force isn't all that it's cracked up to be.

For those that don't follow NFL/NCAA football, the AF officially told the USAFA WR on Thursday (round 1 of the draft) that he is not going to be able to go to the Ready Reserve until after 2 years of AD service.

Being projected as a mid round draft pick, this probably cost him somewhere around $2.5 million...


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Cruel and unusual timing. $2.5M, loss of down.

[brabus]

Approved for the 2nd time. What a clown show.

[nrodgsxr]

Approved for the 2nd time. What a clown show.

Congrats!! How long was your app at SAF/PC?


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[Snooter]

Denied, asked 18 months off with AGR job in place...

[brabus]

Mine was at SAF for 4 months.

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Any recent updates on timeline? My package made it to SAF PC last week so curious to see if the new process has sped things up or slowed it down. 

 

Fingers crossed. 

[nrodgsxr]

Mine has been at SAF/PC since 18 Apr.. AFPC is telling me expect 6-8 weeks at SAF/PC but I feel like that's just a guess.

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2 hours ago, nrodgsxr said:

Mine has been at SAF/PC since 18 Apr.. AFPC is telling me expect 6-8 weeks at SAF/PC but I feel like that's just a guess.

That blows!  Got in touch with my functional today and he said it has recently been 1-5 weeks. Hopefully we all get answers soon. 

[nrodgsxr]

any recent approvals? AFPC is now saying 8-12 weeks at SAF/PC.. after 12 weeks I'm guessing they will just say 12-16 weeks and stop calling

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On 7/6/2017 at 2:32 AM, nrodgsxr said:

any recent approvals? AFPC is now saying 8-12 weeks at SAF/PC.. after 12 weeks I'm guessing they will just say 12-16 weeks and stop calling

Got informally told approved but that it will be 12-15 weeks  for "official approval". It's been there 5 weeks. 

 

House sold, reserves hired, waiting on "official approval" so my family and I can get on with our life.....

[jaygebee]

2 minutes ago, * said:

Got informally told approved but that it will be 12-15 weeks  for "official approval". It's been there 5 weeks. 

 

House sold, reserves hired, waiting on "official approval" so my family and I can get on with our life.....

How much time did you ask off? How did they informally tell you? 

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13 minutes ago, jaygebee said:

How much time did you ask off? How did they informally tell you? 

Asked for 4 months off UPT with just under 365 days to GI bill to reserves, with approvals all the way up so far and a letter of intent to hire. 

Not conifdent in the "approval" though. It was the standard friend of a friend of a friend.

ISR called AFPC contact who called SAF/PC contact and relayed back, but I feel it's as "that one will get approved with all the supporting info". 

 

Its aggravating that the new process went from somewhat streamlined of 1-5 weeks to now 12-16 weeks. 

Edited July 7, 2017 by *

[nrodgsxr]

On 7/7/2017 at 3:37 AM, * said:

Asked for 4 months off UPT with just under 365 days to GI bill to reserves, with approvals all the way up so far and a letter of intent to hire. 

Not conifdent in the "approval" though. It was the standard friend of a friend of a friend.

ISR called AFPC contact who called SAF/PC contact and relayed back, but I feel it's as "that one will get approved with all the supporting info". 

 

Its aggravating that the new process went from somewhat streamlined of 1-5 weeks to now 12-16 weeks. 

 

Edited July 9, 2017 by nrodgsxr
already answered my question

[norflo]

I'm readying my application for attempt #2.  Any recommendations on the personal statement from those with approvals?  

 

My previous memo was long but covered professional, personal, and family reasons why an approval would be best for AF.  Maybe less would be more this time around?

[brabus]

Mine was one page, 2 main points. First, how the AD and the ARC both benefited - I'm in a TFI unit, so I talked about still instructing young AD guys along with their ARC counterparts and how this job move would allow me to have a greater, direct affect on those guys than my current (at the time) AD job. Secondly, I addressed my AD squadron's manning, specifically how me leaving early did not create an issue for them (i.e. filling lines, someone else was already there tapped to takeover my job, etc.) Bottom line, I think you should address these two points succinctly and 100% shit can any personal/family reasons, unless they are significant EFMP type stuff. Other than the more severe family cases, I think the AD not only doesn't give a shit about the personal side, it may even come off as whining and push them towards disapproval.

This was the advice I got and followed - it worked for me, even during an 11F crisis. 

Additionally, the SAF guys personally talked to my AD SQ/CC and ANG OG/CC when reviewing my app to get their personal inputs (AD: How does this affect your manning/mission accomplishment?, ANG: Why do you need him early, how will it benefit you guys?) I got the feeling this is a new standard, so worth giving both sides a craniums up so they're not blindsided by the call.

[norflo]

Brabus,

Thanks for the quick and thorough reply.  I'll focus my new personal statements on those points.

Were you hired into an AGR or a TR position?  If TR, did you discuss anything about your full-time job or activities and how that would positively, if at all, affect your duties as a reservist/guardsman?

[brabus]

I'm full time (and i mentioned that in the letter), which may have affected the outcome positively, but that's only conjecture on my part. If you are going part time, then it may be worth addressing how that will not significantly minimize your contribution to the total force...if the civilian job does work directly for the military, that's probably worth highlighting. 

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Places chase approved!  4 months parole, and just under a year GI bill to reserves. approvals at all levels with letter of intent to hire. 

At SAF PC for 8 weeks

 

Thanks for all the help guys!!

[MountainHerc]

18 minutes ago, * said:

Places chase approved!  4 months parole, and just under a year GI bill to reserves. approvals at all levels with letter of intent to hire. 

At SAF PC for 8 weeks

 

Thanks for all the help guys!!

Congrats man! Welcome to the greener pasture. 

[nrodgsxr]

Approved. 6 months PCS ADSC, recommended approval at all levels with intent to hire letter. 15 Weeks at SAF/PC. They emailed me as soon as it went through. I appreciate all the info. 

 

Now to wait for the 1288 to finish routing and the guard to gain me. 

[FUSEPLUG]

Congrats, dude. Enjoy the new beginning! 

[GDAL]

21 hours ago, splithaivan said:

Newbie here. Not sure if this is appropriate for this topic but I read I shouldn't make a new thread...

Can someone apply for an ANG unit simultaneously while they also apply for AD? I'm having trouble with my AD officer recruiter and I thought I shouldn't put all my eggs in one basket. All I want to do is fly.

I'm 27; pilot 97; PCSM 80; TS Clearance; 22 hours so far

Thank you in advance!

 

Yes, you can apply for ANG/Reserves and AD simultaneously. My AD recruiter told me it would be a "conflict of interest," but that's a load of BS. From my understanding, you can continue to apply to guard units all the way up until OTS. You've made no commitment to anyone thus far.

[extender10]

On 8/17/2017 at 8:21 AM, splithaivan said:

 

I'm 27; pilot 97; PCSM 80; TS Clearance; 22 hours so far

Thank you in advance!

 

That's awesome! Your score will go up quick the more you fly, if you continue your flight training to 50-60 hours I bet you'd be even more attractive to a lot of ANG/Reserve units in addition to the AD board than you already are. You should definitely keep putting apps in different places - I had my heart set on a C-17 unit and ended up seeing a KC-10 do a touch n go while I was eating lunch after a doctor appt - I called the Travis KC-10 reserves and ended up loving the people and the base and have since been hired.  You never know what will sell you on a unit without visiting them or just sending in an app or email and starting a conversation.

Edited August 20, 2017 by extender10

[extender10]

12 minutes ago, splithaivan said:

 How far away were you from the unit? Got any advice for the interview/hiring process? For the September ANG Boards, I will likely be sending out apps to as many as I can; however, I will only be able to visit a limited amount of units given the Sept/Oct Board timeframe and my current job.

I am from the Seattle area and was hired at Travis AFB in NorCal. I had some contacts in the squadron there (My dad was a C-17 pilot and he had friends from UPT at Travis flying in the reserves) so that got my foot in the door once I asked my dad if he knew anybody flying the KC-10.

To prep for my interview, I found lots of questions from here in the forums, and some from airline interviews, and made a big "interview script" on google docs and just sat for an hour a few nights a week doing some "creative writing" in response to those questions. For the "tell me about yourself question" I got to the point where I knew it so well that I could add pauses and expressions into my response to make it casual and natural - I think it's the one question they expect you to have a sort of canned answer to - but want it to be from the heart.  For the other questions I came up with some bullet points/trigger words so that I could make answers come quick depending on how they framed the question and stay on my toes.

I think I ended up making it 6-7 pages long, I definitely over-prepared but it really paid off.  If you want to PM me I'm happy to share. 

Another tip I have is to practice answering your questions sitting in a chair at a table, in your suit jacket or something.  This helped me control my body language and fidget less, and get used to wearing a suit jacket - lots of buttons and pockets to learn to ignore.  Even things like how to unbutton/button your suit jacket will make you feel like the guy in Wolf of Wall Street going in to the interview room.

I'm no expert but it worked for me - I got hired at C--5s and KC-10s Friday and Saturday back to back and ended up backing out of a C-17 gig.  I know I'll get shit for that - but honestly the KC-10 tugs at my heart a ton and I know that the C-17 will be around for longer than the KC-10 and that opportunity will still be there in the future.  I couldn't see myself flying the C-5, the crews on trips are really big and you end up logging lots of "other" time instead of PIC/SIC.  KC-10 also goes more places.  Plus, it's a DC-10.  However, I owe a lot to the C-5 interview for helping me go in the next day confidently - also they are super top notch guys, just not what I saw myself committing to in the end.  They stood me and two other interviewees up at the end and hired all three of us on the spot - it was actually really special.  Made the decision I had the next few days really tough, but I felt really lucky to get hired two places in one go.

Edited August 20, 2017 by extender10

[Kenny Powers]

27 minutes ago, extender10 said:

I am from the Seattle area and was hired at Travis AFB in NorCal. I had some contacts in the squadron there (My dad was a C-17 pilot and he had friends from UPT at Travis flying in the reserves) so that got my foot in the door once I asked my dad if he knew anybody flying the KC-10.

To prep for my interview, I found lots of questions from here in the forums, and some from airline interviews, and made a big "interview script" on google docs and just sat for an hour a few nights a week doing some "creative writing" in response to those questions. For the "tell me about yourself question" I got to the point where I knew it so well that I could add pauses and expressions into my response to make it casual and natural - I think it's the one question they expect you to have a sort of canned answer to - but want it to be from the heart.  For the other questions I came up with some bullet points/trigger words so that I could make answers come quick depending on how they framed the question and stay on my toes.

I think I ended up making it 6-7 pages long, I definitely over-prepared but it really paid off.  If you want to PM me I'm happy to share. 

Another tip I have is to practice answering your questions sitting in a chair at a table, in your suit jacket or something.  This helped me control my body language and fidget less, and get used to wearing a suit jacket - lots of buttons and pockets to learn to ignore.  Even things like how to unbutton/button your suit jacket will make you feel like the guy in Wolf of Wall Street going in to the interview room.

I'm no expert but it worked for me - I got hired at C--5s and KC-10s Friday and Saturday back to back and ended up backing out of a C-17 gig.  I know I'll get shit for that - but honestly the KC-10 tugs at my heart a ton and I know that the C-17 will be around for longer than the KC-10 and that opportunity will still be there in the future.  I couldn't see myself flying the C-5, the crews on trips are really big and you end up logging lots of "other" time instead of PIC/SIC.  KC-10 also goes more places.  Plus, it's a DC-10.  However, I owe a lot to the C-5 interview for helping me go in the next day confidently - also they are super top notch guys, just not what I saw myself committing to in the end.  They stood me and two other interviewees up at the end and hired all three of us on the spot - it was actually really special.  Made the decision I had the next few days really tough, but I felt really lucky to get hired two places in one go.

WTF did I just read?