Protein shakes/supplements

[Guest awfltdoc]

I am currently an active duty pilot and I had some question regarding supplements and flight physicals/drug tests. I am very into working out and would like to start a new routine/diet program that suggests some supplements. I was curious if anyone can tell me wether or not any of these might be disqualifying or get me into trouble when I get pulled into the piss test. Thanks.

Glutamine

ZMA - (Zinc monomethionine aspartate and Magnesium Aspartate)

Viraloid - Prohormone Free Natural Testosterone Enhancing Compound

17-HD - (17- Halo-Methyl-Diana-drone)

Promen-X -

6-OXO

Metabolic Thyrolean

I can't speak to these supplements showing up on a piss test, I just don't know(I don't think so). However, I would recommend running these supplements by you local flight doc. Current policy is that the local flight doc can allow some supplements if not a risk to flight safety or to your health, but needs to be documented in your medical record.

Here is what I'd likely say about these: Viraloid, 17-HD, Promen, 6-OXO, Metabolic Thyrolean would be a no in my estimation. But I would need to do some research on these specific products to say for sure.

[yerfer]

I am currently an active duty pilot and I had some question regarding supplements and flight physicals/drug tests. I am very into working out and would like to start a new routine/diet program that suggests some supplements. I was curious if anyone can tell me wether or not any of these might be disqualifying or get me into trouble when I get pulled into the piss test. Thanks.

Glutamine

ZMA - (Zinc monomethionine aspartate and Magnesium Aspartate)

Viraloid - Prohormone Free Natural Testosterone Enhancing Compound

17-HD - (17- Halo-Methyl-Diana-drone)

Promen-X -

6-OXO

Metabolic Thyrolean

I'd stay away from anything remotely close to "pro hormones". How old are you? If your below 30 years old, do not touch anything for your testosterone unless received so by a Doctor who's tested your levels and found a deficiency. You can pay big consequences in your health if your body doesn't need it.

6-OXO I thought was a waste. Save your money. Only reason it ever existed in the first place is when Ergo Pharms 1AD was legal and sold on the market (banned 3 years ago). Post cycling supposedly controlled estrogen flood.

If I were you, I'd just stick to the straight stuff. A good Creatine (obviously your wanting size), Glutamine, Vitamins/Minerals, BCAA's, Whey Protein, Carbs, Fats, Good Eating, Enough sleep, Rest, Water. If your hormones are wacked, see a Doctor.

I wouldn't risk these testosterone boosting/Estrogen blocking supplements you've listed. Just me....

Edited August 8, 2007 by yerfer

[Guest soflguy]

Yeah, a lot of those are bunk. I did a T boosting cycle a while back, and while I did get some results off of it, it wasn't anything much better than just doing that same routine with a good diet and lots of rest was. Honestly, take the $150+ you're going to spend on that crap and buy a ton of good quality protein, creatine (if you want to be able to say you're using a supp), BCAAs, and chicken. Trust me, T boosters are not worth the extra $$ you'll drop.

[ChkHandleDn]

If you can find them at your base GNC, you'll probably be ok. However, just like everyone else said, you'd probably be better off saving your money and investing it in something else.

[Guest TCMMOOSEDRVR]

Thanks for all the input, it sounds like it would be better to stay away from the Testeorone products. Thanks again.

[Guest awfltdoc]

Just 'cause a supplement can be bought on base doesn't mean its safe or even "authorized" for aviators. Many times this stuff is a proprietary mixture of stuff and in that situation I would not recommend its use because you don't know for sure what is in it. Some times this stuff is adulterated and may be harmful.

Its like this. "Current Air Force Instructions (AFI) and policy letters do not prohibit the use of dietary supplements except for anabolic steroids and hemp oil (AFI 44-120, Drug Abuse Testing Program). Flying, special operational personnel and those members on the Personnel Reliability Program (PRP) program are required to report use of nutritional supplements to their medical provider (USAF Policy on the Use of Nutritional Supplements, 28 Oct 1999).

The medics per policy are to document the use of supplements in the medical record, any adverse reactions (and forward information to the FDA and other required reporting officials, & provide educational counseling.

I am not sure who would "bust" someone for taking a supplement (as long as it doesn't violate AFI 44-120 as above), however I imagine one might be uncomfortable explaining the use of a supplement that was not documented in the medical record during an AIB. Just a thought.

Anyway, I always like it when the aviator brings in the product label information. This can be obtained over the internet many times without having to buy it just to show me the label.

[summe32c]

THREAD REVIVAL:

Ill be getting the IFC1 at Brooks on August 3. Looks like from above that prior use and continued use of creatine are ok and non-disqualifying. Is the correct?

Just wanted a CLEAR difinitive answer on this. Thanks for your input.

-summers