We lost? I submit your cornhole just lost!

[Baseops.Net]

I disagree with him becoming a martyr had we executed him -- there is no glory as a Muslim Extremist to die while strapped to the electric chair in an Infidel American prison.

If he had died in battle or in a large explosion as a suicide bomber, then perhaps they might contemplate martyrdom.

There isn't a whole lot of glamor (nor are there 72 virgins waiting...) when you die like a butchered animal!

[Guest KoolKat]

Now that is funny...

By MICHAEL J. SNIFFEN, Associated Press Writer

32 minutes ago

ALEXANDRIA, Va. - Convicted Sept. 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui says he lied on the witness stand about being involved in the plot and wants to withdraw his guilty plea because he now believes he can get a fair trial from an American jury.

U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema denied Moussaoui's request Monday afternoon, saying the motion was "too late."

In a motion filed Friday but released Monday, Moussaoui said he testified on March 27 that he was supposed to hijack a fifth plane on Sept. 11, 2001, and fly it into the White House "even though I knew that was a complete fabrication."

A federal court jury spared the 37-year-old Frenchman the death penalty last Wednesday. On Thursday, Brinkema gave him six life sentences, to run as two consecutive life terms, in the federal supermax prison at Florence, Colo.

Explaining his latest reversal, Moussaoui said in an affidavit: "I was extremely surprised" by the life sentence.

"I had thought I would be sentenced to death based on the emotions and anger toward me for the deaths on Sept. 11, but after reviewing the jury verdict and reading how the jurors set aside their emotions and disgust for me and focused on the law and the evidence ... I now see that it is possible that I can receive a fair trial even with Americans as jurors."

At sentencing, Brinkema told Moussaoui, "You do not have a right to appeal your convictions, as was explained to you" when he pleaded guilty in April 2005. "You waived that right," she said.

Brinkema said Moussaoui could appeal his sentence but added, "I believe it would be an act of futility."

Moussaoui's court-appointed lawyers told the court that they filed the motion even though a federal rule "prohibits a defendant from withdrawing a guilty plea after imposition of sentence." They did so anyway, they said, because of their "problematic relationship with Moussaoui" and the fact that new lawyers have yet to be appointed to replace them.

The defense lawyers were not immediately available for comment Monday. Brinkema said they would be replaced after they filed any appeal Moussaoui might want.

The motion said Moussaoui told his lawyers Friday that he wanted to withdraw his guilty plea because when he entered it his "understanding of the American legal system was completely flawed."

In an attached three-page affidavit, Moussaoui cited his new opinion of American jurors and wrote that he now believes he has a fair chance "to prove that I did not have any knowledge of and was not a member of the plot to hijack planes and crash them into buildings on Sept. 11, 2001."

"I wish to withdraw my guilty plea and ask the court for a new trial to prove my innocence of the Sept. 11 plot," Moussaoui wrote. "I have never met (lead 9/11 hijacker) Mohammed Atta and, while I may have seen a few of the other hijackers ... (in Afghanistan), I never knew them or anything about their operation."

Explaining his twists and turns, Moussaoui said, "Solitary confinement made me hostile toward everyone, and I began taking extreme positions to fight the system."

Moussaoui said that, coupled with his inability to get a Muslim lawyer, led him to distrust his lawyers when they told him he could be convicted of being an al-Qaida member but acquitted of involvement in 9/11.

Moussaoui wrote that he pleaded guilty because he mistakenly thought the Supreme Court would immediately review his objection to being denied the opportunity to call captured enemy combatant witnesses to buttress his claim of not being involved in the 9/11 plot.

An appeals court agreed with the government that national security would be at risk if captured operatives like 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed testified or were even questioned by Moussaoui's lawyers. Instead, statements taken from their interrogations were read to the jury.

Shaikh Mohammed's statements said Moussaoui was never considered for the 9/11 plot, only a later attack.

Moussaoui shocked the courtroom at his sentencing trial when he recanted his four-year-old claim of having nothing to do with 9/11. When he pleaded guilty in 2005, he had explained that he was to hijack a 747 jetliner and fly it into the White House at some later date if the United States refused to release a radical Egyptian sheik who is serving a life term for terrorist acts in New York.

But when he testified, Moussaoui claimed that the 747 was to be a fifth plane hijacked on Sept. 11 and that Richard Reid, now imprisoned for a December 2001 shoe bombing attempt aboard a trans-Atlantic flight, was to be on his hijacking team.

That testimony revived the government's flagging case in the first part of the sentencing trial.

On April 3, the jury found Moussaoui eligible for the death penalty. It apparently accepted prosecutors' arguments that by withholding information from federal agents who arrested him on Aug. 16, 2001, he bore responsibility for at least one death on 9/11 by preventing the agents from identifying and stopping some hijackers.

Nevertheless, the same jury was unable to unanimously find that Moussaoui, who was in jail on 9/11, deserved execution. Three jurors wrote on the verdict form that they doubted he knew much about the 9/11 plot.

After Moussaoui's testimony, his lawyers made clear in court that they thought he was lying to achieve martyrdom through execution. Prosecutors even stipulated that the government doubted Moussaoui's claim that Reid was part of his team. And the judge told lawyers, out of the jury's hearing, that she doubted his testimony about how much he knew about the 9/11 plot.

BENDY

[AOF_ATC]

Zacarias Moussaoui: Oh please mista' U.S. guvament... I nowsa realized what my punishment really is. Polease let me go, I'm not guilty, I'm just a poow ol' mislead terrorist...

UNITED STATES:

BITE ME

[ 08. May 2006, 18:57: Message edited by: JasonG ]

[Herk Mafia]

This will make me sleep well tonight. Screw this guy.

[Guest Hoser]

Originally posted by JasonG:

Zacarias Moussaoui: Oh please mista' U.S. guvament... I nowsa realized what my punishment really is. Polease let me go, I'm not guilty, I'm just a poow ol' mislead terrorist...

UNITED STATES:

BITE ME

Was that Moussaoui or Jar Jar Binks?

Hoser

[Bergman]

I just did a search for the supermax prison this clown is going to...and I thought the US prison system was going soft (sts) on criminals:

ADX Florence is generally home to between 400 and 500 male prisoners. About 22 percent of inmates have killed fellow prisoners in other correctional facilities; 35 percent have attempted to attack other prisoners or officers. As a result, most individuals are kept for at least 23 hours each day in solitary confinement. They are housed in a 7-by-12 foot (3.5-by-2 meter) soundproofed room, built behind a steel door and grate. The remaining free hour is spent exercising alone in a separate concrete chamber. Prisoners rarely see each other, and inmates' only human interaction is limited to that of the "correctional officers". Religious services are broadcast in from a small chapel.

Most cells' furniture is made almost entirely out of poured concrete, including a desk, stool, and bed covered by a thin mattress. Each chamber contains a toilet that shuts off if plugged, a shower that runs on a timer to prevent flooding, and a sink missing a potentially dangerous tap. Rooms may also be fitted with polished steel mirrors bolted to the wall, an electric light, a 13-inch black and white television that shows only educational programming, which not all inmates are allowed to have, and a cigarette lighter. Windows in rooms are small, set high up in the wall, and point towards the sky, confusing the prisoner as to his specific location within the complex.

The prison as a whole contains countless motion detectors and cameras, 1,400 remote-controlled steel doors, and 12-foot high razor wire fences. Laser beams, pressure pads, and attack dogs guard the area between the prison walls and razor wire.

[Guest sleepy]

Originally posted by Hoser:

Was that Moussaoui or Jar Jar Binks?

Hoser

Amos or Andy?

[Guest Hydro130]

Originally posted by Bergman:

I just did a search for the supermax prison this clown is going to...and I thought the US prison system was going soft (sts) on criminals:

[Guest KoolKat]

Wow. Interesting Berg.

But, I'm sure the guys incarcerated with him will take the challenge.

That life does indeed sound much worse than a needle.

He should have time to study up on the American Justice System in the mean time...

hehe...I still think that was hilarious. :D

BENDY

[Bergman]

Originally posted by Bender:

But, I'm sure the guys incarcerated with him will take the challenge.

heh...Wikipedia even has a list of the big names also there in CO:

Prisoners

Main article: List of prisoners at ADX Florence

Matthew F. Hale (White Supremacist convicted of soliciting the murder of a federal judge)

Robert Hanssen (FBI agent convicted of spying for the Soviet Union and Russia.)

Charles Harrelson (murdered a judge)

Larry Hoover (Leader of the Black Gangster Disciples Nation, based in Chicago)

Theodore Kaczynski (The "Unabomber")

David Lane (murdered liberal Jewish talk radio host Alan Berg)

Zacarias Moussaoui (conspirator in the September 11, 2001 attack)

Terry Nichols (Oklahoma City Bombing conspirator)

Omar Abdel-Rahman (Islamic terrorist, nicknamed "The Blind Sheik"; Involved in World Trade Center bombing planning in 1993.

Richard Reid ("Shoe bomber"; Islamic terrorist)

Eric Robert Rudolph (Olympic Park bomber)

Ramzi Yousef (Islamic terrorist, 1993 World Trade Center bombing)

Brian Askew (Co-Leader of the RCC)

[Guest KoolKat]

haha..good 'ole Hanssen...It's been far too long since my last security training session! :D

If those boys on that list are still alive, the folks up at Colorado must be doing a pretty decent job.

BENDY

EDIT: oppsie! I did it again! (and yeah, I sang it while I typed it out. ;) )

[ 08. May 2006, 22:08: Message edited by: Bender ]

[Guest Hydro130]

It would be awesome to have WWF cage match with any one of those f*ers as bait.. No holds...

Or whatever. As long as the @ss kicking would be televised...

Hydro

[Guest KoolKat]

Kinda like Wesley Snipes & Ving Rames in "Undisputed?"

I'd pay for the real thing of "Criminal Celebrity Death Match!!"

:D Good Idea, Hydro!

Maybe we could start a company? :D

BENDY